From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: One possible bug-tracking system. Date: 19 Jun 2004 20:51:19 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87pt7vxai0.fsf_-_@floss.red-bean.com> References: <20040620023857.1845.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> <20040620011728.GA4120@fencepost> <20040620032820.BD4D.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> Reply-To: kfogel@red-bean.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1087718912 11904 80.91.224.253 (20 Jun 2004 08:08:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 20 10:08:21 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BbxNF-0008VO-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:08:21 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BbxNE-0002Hb-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:08:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BbxOQ-0003AW-BR for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BbxOM-0003AJ-Eu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:09:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BbxOK-00039W-Ao for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BbxOK-00039M-7O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:09:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.115.63.73] (helo=pimout5-ext.prodigy.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BbxN6-0006xj-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:08:12 -0400 Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com (adsl-65-42-91-60.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [65.42.91.60]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5K8884G236770; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from kfogel by floss.red-bean.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1BbrUN-0005XB-00; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:51:19 -0500 Original-To: Juanma Barranquero Emacs: more than just a Lisp interpreter, a text editor as well! In-Reply-To: <20040620032820.BD4D.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> Original-Lines: 52 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:25119 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:25119 Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:17:28 -0400, Miles Bader wrote: > > So let's make a system that uses an organized file in the emacs source tree, > > and a simple emacs browser on top of it, plus maybe email state-change > > notices. > > Sure. Let's make. This may or may not be helpful here, but: Martyn Pearce, the maintainer of the 'cvs2cl' CVS->ChangeLog script, has been using a text-file-based bug tracking system for some time. You can see what it looks like here: http://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/BUGS.html Some points: 1. The bugs are maintained in a single file called BUGS.xml, from which BUGS.html and other (more detailed) HTML files are generated. 2. There does not appear to be any email interface :-(. 3. The browse interface is your web browser, not Emacs (though the edit interface is still Emacs, of course). No net connection is required, though -- you're still browsing local files. 4. Because of (3), it's easy to display bug status to the general public, as well as to have it available locally. For example, see http://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/BUGS/detail.html#_68. To inspect this system more closely, just check out the working copy: $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.red-bean.com:/usr/local/cvs co cvs2cl I'm certainly not claiming this is the greatest system ever made, but it's better than nothing. I certainly won't push it if anything even slightly better comes along :-). One possibility, if we don't consense on something better soon, is to just start maintaining a BUGS.xml in the Emacs tree, and we'll at least see how useful it is to how many people. By the way, I'm not sure it's such a bad idea to simply write a local-file-based, Emacs-accessible bug tracking system. Of course, writing something from scratch is always daunting, and unfortunately I personally wouldn't have time to contribute much. But please don't take my suggestion above as a rejection of the direct approach: decide what we want, then write it. -Karl