From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is OpenUsability something for Emacs? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:03:59 -0400 Message-ID: <87pseu6v8w.fsf@furball.mit.edu> References: <44E72B0F.8060306@student.lu.se> <44E81F63.8000105@student.lu.se> <200608201424.37537.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <873bbqgwo1.fsf@vertex.dottedmag.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1156169745 13926 80.91.229.2 (21 Aug 2006 14:15:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 21 16:15:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFAYt-0001py-Vr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:15:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFAYt-0007YM-Bi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:15:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GFAXt-0006yy-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFAXt-0006yf-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [18.72.1.2] (helo=south-station-annex.mit.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFAfI-0004Lt-2x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:22:08 -0400 Original-Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by south-station-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id k7LEEPxu014866; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (OUTGOING-LEGACY.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.104]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id k7LE47vu019028; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from furball.mit.edu (SYDNEYPACIFIC-THREE-NINETY-NINE.MIT.EDU [18.95.6.144]) ) by outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id k7LE3wpe013422; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from cyd by furball.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1GFANj-0000dz-00; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:03:59 -0400 Original-To: Mikhail Gusarov In-Reply-To: <873bbqgwo1.fsf@vertex.dottedmag.net> (Mikhail Gusarov's message of "Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:23:10 +0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: 1.217 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58635 Archived-At: Mikhail Gusarov writes: > You (rms@gnu.org) wrote: > > RS> One can't expect users to know about that command. In order for > RS> that to be the solution to the no-mouse problem, something on the > RS> screen needs to say how to use it. > > Usability is about using things, not about learning to use > things. Would you like to have every possible Emacs keybinding shown > on the screen? When you start up Emacs, it does display some basic keybindings, and tells you how to get help.