From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Russo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version' Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:58:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87ps58ubzn.fsf@onosendai.org> References: <877irhn4yh.fsf@mid.thomas-huehn.de> <861whp2mhn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178798386 11747 80.91.229.12 (10 May 2007 11:59:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 10 13:59:45 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hm7J6-0008G5-Va for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:59:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm7QP-0008FN-Jf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:07:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm7QM-0008F5-1y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm7QI-0008Eh-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:07:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hm7QI-0008Ee-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from esilio.investici.org ([204.13.164.180]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm7Ix-0002tE-Df; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rastandy@inventati.org) with ESMTP id CC3CFFF6B Original-Received: from andy by localhost with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm7HY-00064G-T1; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:58:04 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA CXBIWXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH1QsYEAwXXxoA5gAAAB10RVh0Q29tbWVudABDcmVh dGVkIHdpdGggVGhlIEdJTVDvZCVuAAAAo0lEQVQY01XQsQ3DMAwEwCdYsNQG1hopDHillO6s0TRC RtAILFKoMKyQjIIkbA4QniD0GDEYo+cA5JzAYSiQjQqIUQA20C2DkyzjXBZFdzYokm2gIZVAij1U cIE49Utx2JD2hxpAUpBzf7MHy+QWrGssfFiC/YeKPcU9nYjRSKUkKDUp2eFHRufGfcPJlfuBiys5 doO+n54VzEJmPbOs8dwCnxf4QW3vEcuy1AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.97 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70751 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: >> The view may not be a presumption, it may be an accurate >> description. But the issue may be one of morals, not evidence. The >> argument may be that people should find it easy to contribute. > > And they can't contribute if there contributions never end up on a > user's computer. My (very tiny) contributions to GNU Emacs were possible because of the strong incentive to have the shiny and new features only present in Emacs CVS (actually I use emacs--cvs--0 Arch archive from Miles). And I consider myself an Emacs "user", not a developer. Sure, one is always free to have development versions of programs installed in his computer to be able to contribute, but having incentives is very important imho to start being involved. The tremendous extensibility of Emacs trough elisp is very helpful to become a contributor, but I think that bluring the user/developer line also by having users running the development version (or at least being able to switch from released to development version in a very easy way) could be a great goal to achieve. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Andrea. -- Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics; I can assure you that mine are still greater.