From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:09:04 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87prudi2ij.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ablvb4om.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fb3ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <5shcfq6qhb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204474974 7489 80.91.229.12 (2 Mar 2008 16:22:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 02 17:23:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JVqy6-0007mN-65 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:23:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JVqxZ-00084U-CT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JVqw2-0006Ae-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:21:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JVqvz-00065p-A8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:21:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JVqvy-00065I-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:21:07 -0500 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVqvr-0001cB-MF; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:21:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JVqvn-0000Zz-EL; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:20:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:51:26 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 7b6940144bc5d56bdacd12344196c2df X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2347 [Mar 2 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91070 Archived-At: >>> But this does point up the fact that this change requires changes in >>> many places in the Emacs manual. We should probably take the change >>> out and not install it until after writing the necessary Emacs Manual >>> changes. > >> Is it still the position that this change should be reverted? > > Yes, I think it should be reverted for now, When someone will start preparing a patch with documentation, what reached consensus on this list should be kept in mind? Is it accepted that transient-mark-mode should be t by default? What about shift-arrows and delete-selection-mode? Should they be rewritten in C to avoid using command hooks? -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/