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From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: position on changing defaults?
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:52:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Wed\, 05 Mar 2008 15\:43\:31 -0500")

Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:

>> - selection with Shift-arrow keys
>
> I think this would be a good default.  If someone is willing to make a
> patch that refactors this code from cua-mode into simple.el, it would
> be worth considering.

So you want just shift-arrows to start/expand the region.

And transient-mark-mode on top of that...

Sort of like cua-selection-mode, but not quite ... 
Then don't start from cua-mode!

Or use cua-selection-mode - to get all the benefits it provides!

cua-selection-mode will start/expand the region not just for
the shift-arrow keys, but (in practice) any shifted movement key.  

If that is the objection to using cua-selection-mode, I could add a
customize option to limit it to just the arrow keys.  If not,
please explain what else is wrong with cua-selection-mode.
(oh yes, it also has delete-selection-mode on, but again,
that's a feature which could be optional in cua-selection-mode).

It also gives you the rectangle highlighting (which I think most
users would agree is quite useful) combined with the ability to
use the normal region kill, copy and yank keys also for rectangles.
So there's no need to learn a different command set for rectangles!

I don't see why it is really necessary to insist on refactoring
cua-(selection-)mode for these features to be used by default.
IMO, the time is better spent on writing/improving the documentation
for the cua features!

BTW, why is using a pre- or post- command hook so bad?


Also, why is it necessary to refactor it into simple.el -- it's
not that simple :-)

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk





  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-05 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 256+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05  6:37 position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05  7:02 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 13:33   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 14:54     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-05 15:44     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 19:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 19:38         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05 21:55       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05 15:34   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-05  9:55 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 15:02 ` Bastien
2008-03-05 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:30   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 23:15     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  3:49       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  4:10         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  4:30           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:35           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:28     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  3:58       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 10:07         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 11:37           ` René Kyllingstad
2008-03-06 16:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 19:11           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 21:13             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09  1:00           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 16:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:52         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 18:25           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  0:35             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:46         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-06 16:13     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 16:37       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 17:09         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06 17:35           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 20:38             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 20:40               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-06 21:33                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 21:36                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-06 18:10       ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-06 19:44         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-07  0:43           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09  1:00       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:48       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:07       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:08           ` Gregory Collins
2008-03-09  0:27             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  0:36               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:43                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  1:10                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09 23:08                   ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11  1:00                     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  6:06                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-09 21:51                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:34                   ` Drew Adams
2008-03-10  0:29                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10  0:57                       ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  1:00                 ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11  1:00               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 18:15           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 21:09           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 17:55               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-09 22:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  0:30                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-10 22:29               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-08 19:11         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 19:26           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 19:54             ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 20:03               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 20:28                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-08 23:41                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  0:04                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-03-09  0:18                       ` Stephen Eglen
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-11 10:44                           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 12:22                             ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-11 14:39                               ` ido-mode (was Re: position on changing defaults?) Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:14                                 ` ido-mode Tassilo Horn
2008-03-09  0:27                       ` position on changing defaults? Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-09  0:36                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  9:51                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 16:40                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11  1:00                         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07 12:21       ` paul r
2008-03-11  1:00         ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-07  3:38   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 20:43 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-05 23:30   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-05 23:45     ` Bastien
2008-03-05 23:54       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  0:10         ` Bastien
2008-03-07  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:46     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  0:21       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-06 10:58       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-07 23:14         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 23:27           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  0:40             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09  2:18               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08  1:24             ` deactivation in "shift-select" mode Miles Bader
2008-03-08  2:22               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-08  3:11                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:27                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08 17:26               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 20:53             ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 21:58               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:34               ` Shift-movement selection (was: position on changing defaults?) Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:00                 ` Shift-movement selection Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10  0:06                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  3:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10  4:11                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10 14:38                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 15:06                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-10 16:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-10 16:40                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 18:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 10:06                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:51                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:06                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 23:59                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  0:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  8:28                                               ` tomas
2008-03-11 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-11 22:38                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11 23:31                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-11 23:46                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12  1:35                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 15:11                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 15:54                               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 17:39                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-12 20:03                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 22:00                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-13  1:06                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13  2:00                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-10 22:32                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-11 18:38                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11  9:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 18:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-11 20:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:41                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-12 15:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 22:33                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-06 16:46       ` position on changing defaults? Stefan Monnier
2008-03-07  2:08         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  6:28           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 17:40         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:08           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 18:07         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 22:56               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:17                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  9:25                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:24                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 16:02                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-09 20:53           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  3:38     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 23:52   ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2008-03-06  0:34     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  1:00     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-06  1:18       ` Bastien
2008-03-06 17:07     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 17:40       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:12         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 16:40           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 22:35             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:11               ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-09 23:36                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:46                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-09 23:50                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:00                     ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Miles Bader
2008-03-10  0:18                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10  0:02                   ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Drew Adams
2008-03-10 10:13                     ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-10 13:47                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-10 14:32                         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 14:53                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-11  0:07                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-11 20:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 20:50                                 ` CUA mode's C-RET binding Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12  0:37                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-12 15:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12 17:30                                     ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-12 20:21                                       ` Dangerous shell commands? (was: CUA mode's C-RET binding) Reiner Steib
2008-03-12 21:23                                         ` Dangerous shell commands? David Kastrup
2008-03-13  0:14                                         ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-03-11 14:44                         ` CUA mode's C-RET binding [was: position on changing defaults?] Mathias Dahl
2008-03-11 15:09                           ` Drew Adams
2008-03-13 11:20                             ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-13 17:26                               ` Drew Adams
2008-03-11  9:25               ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-08 19:25       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-08 23:38           ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 23:51             ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09  2:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:39             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 16:11             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-11 10:28               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-08 20:56       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  8:38         ` Making the command loop mode-dependent [was: position on changing defaults?] Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-07  3:38     ` position on changing defaults? Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 10:50       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09  2:18         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09  2:40           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:06             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 22:13               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-09 22:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 23:44                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-09 23:57                   ` Miles Bader
2008-03-10  1:00                   ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-10 17:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-11 10:35                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-11 18:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12  0:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-12  9:56                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-12 14:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-12 23:56                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  1:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13  2:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13  2:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-13 16:57                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-14  2:55                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-14  9:51                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13  7:45                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 12:45                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 13:28                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 20:39                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 21:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-13 23:56                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-13 22:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 22:47                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-13 22:49                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 16:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-13 23:30                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-13 15:41                             ` Chong Yidong

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