From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shift-movement selection Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:32:00 +0900 Message-ID: <87pru2i527.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87d4q8sq9c.fsf@jurta.org> <8763w0n393.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <871w6ounk0.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87ablacdxt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87skyzzeng.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205188359 27604 80.91.229.12 (10 Mar 2008 22:32:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, storm@cua.dk, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 10 23:33:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYqYL-0007J3-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:33:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYqXn-0002wz-6Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYqXj-0002wW-Ob for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:32:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYqXh-0002sM-HS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:32:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYqXh-0002sD-BC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:32:25 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYqXY-0004rE-VZ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:32:18 -0400 Original-Received: from 203-216-96-086.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.96.86] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1JYqXJ-0005cL-G6; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:32:01 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 61B662FF7; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:32:00 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:38:35 -0400") Original-Lines: 25 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92097 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Anything that doesn't modify the buffer -- e.g. all movement commands. > > Supposedly these will be changed to use the new function, so they will > explicitly deactivate the mark if the mark was activated with shift and > the movement is then performed without the shift. > > So again, which ones would be left? Are you serious? You intend to modify _every_ movement command in Emacs, and require that users modify whatever commands they have written? You intend to do this when a simple, clean, and more general solution exists, with no apparent downsides? Why? Maybe for activating shift-selection, annotating commands is the best we can do, but it's very clear that for deactivating it, we can do better. -Miles -- Laughter, n. An interior convulsion, producing a distortion of the features and accompanied by inarticulate noises. It is infectious and, though intermittent, incurable.