From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tab bar Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:50:59 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87prsz1kek.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87wsnaso3h.fsf@jurta.org> <87d4p2tuim.fsf@jurta.org> <47FA3EBE.5040600@gmail.com> <6161f3180804080658i3bb41ba2g4012870615c522d7@mail.gmail.com> <47FB7F79.6050906@gmail.com> <87k5j8jq93.fsf@gmail.com> <200804081604.m38G4s0e019532@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <6161f3180804080925l7cc33c85uea3209e945117fe6@mail.gmail.com> <47FBD126.9040807@gmail.com> <47FBE0B1.2030600@harpegolden.net> <47FBE7E3.4080905@gmail.com> <47FC2F0F.4000109@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207732464 7904 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2008 09:14:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 09 11:14:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjWOH-0000js-EW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:14:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWNc-0008Qg-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:14:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWLn-0007NJ-G4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWLl-0007Ml-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjWLl-0007Mh-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjWLl-0008Qc-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjWLi-000JDC-7o; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:12:10 +0300 In-Reply-To: <47FC2F0F.4000109@harpegolden.net> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:50:55 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: c2436a487120708c9e0f2b31fdd4cc45 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2590 [Apr 09 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94767 Archived-At: >> I can't understand this. Why are they fighting a (rather) well >> established standard on w32 instead of using it to their favor to get >> new users? > > Not sure you can take for granted that developers - and users - of other > desktop guis (or even w32) are as familiar with w32 as you might be. :-) > I myself have relatively seldom used w32 (amiga->gnu/linux in 1990s...), > and of w32 users I know, most aren't at a skill level where they'd use > many keyboard shortcuts to navigate... So, I had no idea C-TAB > did that on windows, and on gnu/linux I'm used to C-PgUp/Dn - turns out > I've been missing out, Tk notebooks use C-TAB, I just didn't discover > that until now. Tabs were first introduced by CUA for notebook pages, and CUA was most widely used on w32 applications. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/