From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bob@rattlesnake.com (Robert J. Chassell) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:47:27 +0000 Message-ID: <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219662051 28689 80.91.229.12 (25 Aug 2008 11:00:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:00:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 25 13:01:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KXZpA-0003vL-L0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:01:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXZoC-0000Vu-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:00:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXZbg-0006xa-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXZbe-0006vd-5X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41459 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXZbd-0006ua-L8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:47:29 -0400 Original-Received: from cpe-69-204-130-115.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.130.115]:52844 helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXZbd-0006Xy-47 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:47:29 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:47:27 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102928 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > I wish you (and RMS) would get a real MUA. ... Fixing attributions > ... According to my records, you wrote > > Sure, but communitarian freedom has typically been espoused > > by leaders who create a personality cult around them and > > brook little actual dissent, etc. and I wrote > That is often true. Same in software. I know the latter is correct both in attribution and in content. My electronic mail says the former is correct, too. The attributions look correct both in my originals and in your copies as they were sent to me. No need for a different mail user agent. > > Software freedom is *not* about a personality that > > overshadows the rest of the community, is it? Rather, it > > is a very individualist freedom. > Copyright law has to do with copying between people. I said the last about copyright law, too. Again, its attribution looks correct to me. You wrote > And software freedom is about removing hindrances to an > individual's copying, ... I agree. Software copying is made possible in a free mannner by using *current* laws, international treaties, and experience. You also wrote > I don't understand what you're trying to say. ... I am saying that the current laws, international treaties, and experience send us to the GNU Public License, version 3. You may not like the current laws and international treaties; I don't; technology makes it easier to copy than before. Unfortunately, the current laws and international treaties exist and their backers are powerful. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc