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From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:31:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87prjbh7j6.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ud4fcaz2c.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:18:19 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> I think you are wrong about suspend making no sense on GUI terminals:
> we have (in Emacs 23) suspend-frame that does work on GUI.

Since GUI terminals are basically a connection to a graphical display,
it doesn't (IMHO) make sense to talk about "suspending" the terminal.
As long as the display connection is open, you can minimize/iconify
frames on a GUI terminal individually.  In contrast, suspending a text
terminal actually does cause Emacs to relinquish control of the tty, and
this operation acts on all frames on that terminal.

> Anyway, the examples I gave were just that: examples.  Here's another
> example: we have make-frame-on-display, make-frame-on-tty, and
> make-terminal-frame; and then we have make-frame that can do all of
> the above.  IMO, it's terribly confusing.

make-terminal-frame should probably be renamed.  This is an internal
function that is not useful except when called from faces.el anyway.
Maybe we should call it internal-make-tty-frame.

> But again, maybe I'm the only one who is confused.  My confusion is
> exasperated by the fact that I cannot find any useful methodical way
> to describe all these functions with partially overlapping
> functionality in the ELisp manual.  Suggestions welcome...

As far as frame creation goes, there is just one primary Elisp interface
for making frames: the function `make-frame'.  The frame parameters
passed to `make-frame' determine where the frame appears.  The commands
`make-frame-on-display' and `make-frame-on-tty' exist just for
convenience: their purpose is to allow the user to interactively specify
a display or tty name to `make-frame', using the minibuffer.  Internal
functions, such as x-create-frame-with-faces and
tty-create-frame-with-faces, should not be documented in the Elisp
manual.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-29  5:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-27 18:23 Terminology in multi-tty primitives Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28  1:00 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28  4:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28  4:28     ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28 19:43         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-29  5:31         ` Chong Yidong [this message]
2008-12-29 19:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-29 22:09         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-30  2:18           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-30 22:26             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  2:20                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31  3:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  4:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31  6:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 18:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:39                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 21:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:55                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 22:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 23:03                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 16:38                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31 17:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 19:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-01 17:13                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-02 13:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-03  2:32                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-03  9:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04  3:14                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-04  3:29                                 ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-04  3:41                                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-04  4:54                                     ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-30 22:27             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31  5:31               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31  6:28                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  8:33                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31 14:18                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-31 15:42                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-28 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-28 19:33   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-30 19:53   ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-27 18:16 Eli Zaretskii

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