From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: visual-line-mode tweaks Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:48:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87pr4m2x4x.fsf@mithlond.arda> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265208863 7150 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2010 14:54:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 15:54:20 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NcgcV-00049t-Os for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:54:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36434 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NcgcU-0007Ij-TA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:54:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NcgXR-0005xa-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:49:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54636 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NcgXQ-0005xS-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:49:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NcgXQ-0005wC-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:49:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mta-out.inet.fi ([195.156.147.13]:58618 helo=kirsi2.inet.fi) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NcgXM-0005tW-L7; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:49:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mithlond.arda (84.251.132.215) by kirsi2.inet.fi (8.5.014) id 4B17EFA602B63170; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:48:51 +0200 Original-Received: from dtw by mithlond.arda with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NcgWs-0007Yi-V9; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:48:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120858 Archived-At: * 2010-02-03 09:23 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (1) Maybe visual-line-mode should turn off auto-fill-mode -- it's >> annoying to have your lines truncated physically when editing a file >> that intentionally uses a line-per-paragraph, and it's very common >> for auto-fill mode to be turned on by default. > I'm not completely opposed to it, but I'm not sure how we could do it > in a way that wouldn't be annoying in one case or another. So if you > propose a patch, maybe I would accept it. It think the user interface is clearer when minor modes don't turn others off. I always have visual-line-mode and auto-fill-mode turned on when I'm writing email and news messages, that is, with message-mode. I don't write long lines but want to have kill-visual-line (C-k) and end-of-visual-line (C-e) available.