From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Clipboard interactions Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:57:45 +0900 Message-ID: <87pqysitfq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> <87630n6odf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874og670l0.fsf@gmx.de> <87k4p257ho.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87fwzqyn4j.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87fwzp627r.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278950762 5781 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 16:06:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Sebastian Rose , Tom , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 18:06:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYLW2-0005GH-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:06:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42740 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYLVy-0005p1-H2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:05:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=32961 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYLU5-0004MZ-NO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:03:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYLU1-0008Vi-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:03:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:51700) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYLU1-0008VV-9n; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:03:53 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49477FFA; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:03:50 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F7021A263F; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:57:45 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" ed3b274cc037 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127105 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Why not turn it on by default then? XEmacs avoids it in the case of Motif (probably not relevant?) because the Motif clipboard ownership protocol involves an insane number of roundtrips if implemented properly, and is noticeably slow over even a megabit connection due to latency. There are also some cases for Xt over the network where use of the clipboard can be very slow. These are rarer, but the demand for clipboard-style interaction has never been very high, except on Windows where it is the default anyway. So yes, even in a modern network environment clipboard interaction can be slow. However, if there's any demand for that style of interaction, it may be worth making clipboard interaction the default and telling users who are in environments where they perceive the interaction to be slow to turn it off.