From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:45:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pqymk6f2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87d3un2ht2.fsf@catnip.gol.com
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
> Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> writes:
>> - The default movement keys are not ergonomic.
>
> Bullshit.
My first computer had its cursor keys to the left and right of the space
bar, in a natural ordering.
<URL:http://www.nascomhomepage.com/pics/NASKBD.JPG>
That was ergonomic.
The keys were contactless (inductive IIRC). Indestructable, good
response and feeling. Probably did not add more than $150 to the total
price of the computer.
Things went downhill from there.
--
David Kastrup
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2010-07-12 19:18 Emacs learning curve grischka
2010-07-12 20:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-12 21:07 ` immanuel litzroth
2010-07-12 22:03 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-12 22:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-12 23:22 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-12 23:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 1:17 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-13 3:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 5:59 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-14 8:18 ` Tom
2010-07-14 9:38 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-14 10:31 ` Tom
2010-07-14 18:32 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-15 8:22 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-15 8:51 ` Tom
2010-07-15 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 9:27 ` Tom
2010-07-15 9:41 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-15 10:09 ` Tom
2010-07-15 10:24 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-15 10:31 ` Tom
2010-07-15 15:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 15:15 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-15 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 4:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-16 9:15 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-16 9:25 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-16 10:39 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-15 10:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 10:14 ` Tom
2010-07-15 10:25 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-15 10:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 16:56 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-16 17:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 17:27 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-16 17:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 18:11 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-16 18:23 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-16 20:10 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-16 22:16 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-17 5:45 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2010-07-16 23:07 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-17 6:02 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-17 6:29 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-17 7:21 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-17 7:43 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-17 12:15 ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-17 12:27 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-17 13:01 ` John Yates
2010-07-17 16:15 ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-17 12:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17 16:11 ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-19 19:39 ` Andy Wingo
2010-07-19 19:47 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-17 14:28 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-17 15:56 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-18 13:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-18 19:21 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-07-20 1:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-20 23:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2010-07-17 6:09 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-22 12:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-22 13:16 ` Tassilo Horn
[not found] ` <770DFAD9-23D5-4BD3-A209-7E64FFC8999C@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <201007230857.48161.tassilo@member.fsf.org>
2010-07-23 12:53 ` Ivan Andrus
2010-07-16 18:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-16 18:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 19:02 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-16 19:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 18:16 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-22 17:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-22 18:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-22 18:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-22 18:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-22 22:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-16 9:04 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-16 19:05 ` Ivan Kanis
2010-07-16 22:26 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-17 17:08 ` Ivan Kanis
2010-07-17 17:51 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-22 11:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-22 12:14 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-22 12:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-22 13:03 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-22 18:01 ` Ivan Kanis
2010-07-22 19:45 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-22 19:56 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-07-22 21:58 ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-23 6:08 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-23 6:23 ` Fren Zeee
2010-07-23 18:23 ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2010-07-23 7:28 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-22 12:24 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-22 12:37 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-22 14:20 ` Davis Herring
2010-07-22 15:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-22 17:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-23 6:18 ` A more modest proposal (Was: Emacs learning curve) Daniel Colascione
2010-07-23 7:13 ` A more modest proposal David Kastrup
2010-07-23 7:20 ` A more modest proposal (Was: Emacs learning curve) Jan Djärv
2010-07-23 7:23 ` Daniel Colascione
2010-07-23 8:04 ` A more modest proposal Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-07-23 9:19 ` A more modest proposal (Was: Emacs learning curve) Jan Djärv
2010-07-23 9:29 ` A more modest proposal Miles Bader
2010-07-23 10:39 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-23 15:10 ` A more modest proposal (Was: Emacs learning curve) Drew Adams
2010-07-23 7:28 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-23 8:25 ` A more modest proposal Miles Bader
2010-07-23 8:47 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-23 9:00 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-23 10:25 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-23 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-23 17:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-23 14:59 ` A more modest proposal (Was: Emacs learning curve) Stephen Eilert
2010-07-23 15:33 ` A more modest proposal Chong Yidong
2010-07-17 20:09 ` Emacs learning curve Miles Bader
2010-07-17 20:30 ` Omi[cs]iroi! (was: Emacs learning curve) Drew Adams
2010-07-17 20:41 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-17 20:59 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-17 21:11 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-18 0:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-17 11:15 ` Emacs learning curve Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2010-07-21 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-21 15:48 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-07-21 16:50 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-22 17:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-22 18:40 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-22 19:21 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-22 19:27 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-07-25 12:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-25 14:22 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-25 14:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-25 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-25 20:32 ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2010-07-23 17:20 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-23 17:57 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-23 18:19 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-24 3:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-24 4:51 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-24 11:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2010-07-24 14:09 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-25 2:07 ` David Robinow
2010-07-23 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-23 14:41 ` Tom
2010-07-23 16:02 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-23 17:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-23 18:07 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-23 20:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-23 22:21 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-23 23:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-23 23:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-24 1:16 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-24 1:16 ` Please take off-list [Was: Emacs learning curve] Chong Yidong
2010-07-24 14:30 ` Emacs learning curve Sean Sieger
2010-07-23 19:12 ` Tom
2010-07-24 8:55 ` Leo
2010-07-24 13:48 ` joakim
2010-07-24 17:57 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-07-23 18:25 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-23 18:50 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-23 19:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-23 20:20 ` (OT) natural language speakers (was: Emacs learning curve) Drew Adams
2010-07-23 20:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-24 6:38 ` Emacs learning curve Ivan Andrus
2010-07-23 17:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-14 12:13 ` René Kyllingstad
2010-07-13 1:58 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-13 3:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 6:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-13 6:34 ` Tom
2010-07-13 8:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-13 8:32 ` Tom
2010-07-13 9:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-13 9:20 ` Tom
2010-07-13 9:19 ` immanuel litzroth
2010-07-13 11:59 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-13 12:07 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-13 12:54 ` joakim
2010-07-13 15:33 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-13 15:49 ` joakim
2010-07-13 18:02 ` Alex Ott
2010-07-13 16:12 ` David Engster
2010-07-13 16:26 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-13 18:45 ` David Engster
2010-07-14 2:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-14 11:43 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-14 13:06 ` David Engster
2010-07-13 17:12 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-13 22:09 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-13 12:19 ` joakim
2010-07-13 12:41 ` Tom
2010-07-13 15:44 ` CEDET discoverability (was: Emacs learning curve) Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13 16:29 ` CEDET discoverability David Kastrup
2010-07-13 17:14 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-13 22:16 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-14 5:02 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-14 15:38 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-14 18:48 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-14 19:32 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-15 6:11 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-15 0:31 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-14 20:12 ` David Reitter
2010-07-14 0:50 ` Christoph
2010-07-13 22:30 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-13 22:24 ` Bruce Stephens
2010-07-13 16:43 ` CEDET (was: Emacs learning curve) Leo
2010-07-13 17:16 ` CEDET Chong Yidong
2010-07-13 20:08 ` Emacs learning curve Joe Brenner
2010-07-14 17:16 ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-13 21:01 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-13 21:14 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-13 21:58 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-14 10:41 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-14 14:03 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-14 18:36 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-12 23:28 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-13 0:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 16:54 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-13 23:27 ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-13 7:56 ` christian.lynbech
2010-07-13 8:10 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-13 8:44 ` joakim
2010-07-13 9:09 ` immanuel litzroth
2010-07-13 11:43 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-13 23:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 9:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13 10:39 ` Developer contributions / was: " David Reitter
2010-07-13 22:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-14 0:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-07-14 2:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-14 7:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-13 9:49 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-13 23:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-13 13:51 ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-13 14:10 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-13 17:03 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-13 18:29 ` grischka
2010-07-14 17:16 ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-15 15:36 ` grischka
2010-07-29 20:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-07-31 12:02 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-31 13:32 ` martin rudalics
2010-07-31 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-31 15:04 ` martin rudalics
2010-08-02 14:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-08-02 15:43 ` Sean Sieger
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-02 19:02 grischka
2010-07-15 15:05 grischka
2010-07-14 17:14 grischka
2010-07-14 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-15 8:33 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-15 13:49 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-16 1:31 ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-16 2:52 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-16 5:30 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-13 2:13 grischka
2010-07-13 5:58 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-10 19:27 MON KEY
2010-07-11 2:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 3:39 ` MON KEY
2010-07-11 11:05 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-09 19:12 Noah Lavine
2010-07-10 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-10 10:36 ` Tom
2010-07-10 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-10 11:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10 15:07 ` Tom
2010-07-10 16:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-10 16:39 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-10 16:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 1:22 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-11 8:33 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-11 11:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-12 16:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-12 17:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-12 17:45 ` joakim
2010-07-12 17:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-13 6:41 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-12 17:53 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-07-12 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-12 18:05 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-10 17:57 ` Tom
2010-07-10 18:32 ` Bernardo Barros
2010-07-10 21:03 ` David Kastrup
2010-07-11 8:34 ` Tom
2010-07-11 10:51 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-07-11 16:05 ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-11 16:55 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-11 17:14 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-11 17:59 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-07-11 18:01 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-07-11 19:00 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-11 19:08 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-07-11 22:49 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-12 7:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12 9:00 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-07-12 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-12 20:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-07-11 18:00 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-11 22:49 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-11 23:18 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-11 18:05 ` Sebastian Rose
2010-07-11 15:08 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-04 20:54 ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-05 17:39 ` Barry Fishman
2010-08-06 2:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06 2:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06 3:10 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06 5:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06 11:43 ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-07-10 23:22 ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-11 1:00 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-11 1:44 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-11 2:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-11 2:23 ` Sean Sieger
2010-07-11 2:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-07-18 19:33 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2010-08-02 9:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 13:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-02 14:57 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-02 15:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-02 15:50 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-02 18:19 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-02 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 21:42 ` Johan Bockgård
2010-08-04 17:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 14:16 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 15:07 ` Sean Sieger
2010-08-02 15:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-02 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02 21:11 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-02 18:37 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-02 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-02 20:02 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 5:57 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-02 18:39 ` Tom
2010-08-02 18:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-02 19:53 ` joakim
2010-08-03 22:07 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-08-04 9:13 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-04 9:42 ` Alex Ott
2010-08-03 3:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-03 18:45 ` Andy Wingo
2010-08-04 12:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-10 15:01 ` Noah Lavine
2010-07-08 7:44 Efforts to attract more users? joakim
2010-07-09 3:05 ` Richard Stallman
2010-07-09 7:33 ` Emacs learning curve (was Re: Efforts to attract more users?) christian.lynbech
2010-07-09 7:43 ` Emacs learning curve Masatake YAMATO
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