From: Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC
Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 17:10:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pqai64vm.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com
05/05/12 16:35, Drew Adams
>> Thanks, but why isn't this done in general-purpose font-lock of email
>> messages? Why limit this to Gnus?
>
> Bzzzzt - wrong question. The question is NOT why we don't extend or generalize
> it to other Emacs email paraphernalia besides Gnus. The question is why we send
> this crap at all in plain-text messages?
>
> That such markup might be useful within Org mode or Gnus or even Emacs generally
> is no reason to expose it in plain-text mail.
>
> We discourage the use of HTML messages in GNU mailing lists. But then
> Gnus/Org/Emacs goes and rolls its own simulacrum? And then everyone who is not
> using Emacs for mail has the obligatory privilege of seeing the markup?
>
> If Gnus/Emacs wants to render HTML or XML markup, great. Email clients of many
> stripes generally know how to do that, so users do not see the markup itself.
>
> But whatever Gnus/Emacs decides to do about markup and "looking pretty", please
> keep the markup out of plain-text messages. Some mailing list subscribers read
> and write mail outside of Emacs (imagine that). And some mailing lists are
> mirrored to newsgroups and websites that can also be accessed without Emacs
> (imagine that).
>
> "Font-lock" prettifying doesn't mean a whole lot to the outside world.
>
> (Note: I would have no problem with the GNU mailing lists NOT discouraging HTML
> messages. My point is that we should not (a) discourage HTML and then (b) bring
> in some artisanal, Emacs-specific markup through the back door. HTML and XML at
> least provide (more or less) standard markup that is supported by many clients.)
>
> #+END_GNUS
The main problem with HTML emails is that they may be rendered
completely garbled depending on the viewer. You can't look at a HTML
message in plain text and make sense of it (of course, these days, HTML
messages usually include a sensible multipart plain text). You're very
welcome to completely ignore two lines of the mail. Then again, you're
just looking for a fight (again?) I'm not willing to get into, so feel
free to ignore this message as well.
Presumably it could be implemented by making it a minor mode that is
turned on by gnus/org by default and can also be turned on by other
modes or by the user?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-05-05 15:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-05-05 6:30 lexical-binding questions Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 6:45 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 8:16 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC (was: lexical-binding questions) Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 8:39 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tom Rauchenwald
2012-05-05 8:54 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 13:38 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-05 17:02 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 16:03 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-06 16:46 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 17:03 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-05 14:35 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 15:10 ` Antoine Levitt [this message]
2012-05-05 15:57 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 17:00 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-05-05 17:35 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 21:38 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC John Wiegley
2012-05-07 2:25 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07 6:23 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-07 9:37 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-05-06 14:17 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-05 15:48 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 16:43 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 17:12 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-07 8:57 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Julien Danjou
2012-05-07 9:46 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 17:36 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 19:48 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-05 20:00 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-07 5:44 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-07 14:23 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Wolfgang Jenkner
2012-05-08 4:08 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-08 7:37 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-08 11:41 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Juanma Barranquero
2012-05-08 12:17 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-08 14:32 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Andreas Röhler
2012-05-09 1:23 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 17:31 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09 0:47 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 3:50 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-09 11:35 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 12:23 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 13:43 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 14:57 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 17:08 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:06 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:20 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:30 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:44 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 7:44 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 7:28 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 7:59 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 12:35 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:28 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 13:51 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-15 3:30 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 15:21 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Davis Herring
2012-05-15 3:56 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 9:02 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-10 13:05 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:55 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-15 3:52 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-16 14:00 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 13:52 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:44 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09 4:45 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-09 6:28 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 9:30 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-06-08 0:20 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 17:36 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-10 0:56 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-16 14:51 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 13:05 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 15:17 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus (was: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC) Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 14:21 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 16:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:15 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:18 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 14:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Alan Mackenzie
2012-05-06 14:43 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 18:57 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 23:20 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 2:21 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07 9:56 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 11:04 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 13:29 ` lexical-binding questions Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 17:59 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-06 0:08 ` Miles Bader
2012-05-06 2:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-06 6:00 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 15:57 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-07 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 15:39 ` Drew Adams
2012-05-15 6:40 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 13:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 3:57 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-14 4:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 17:09 ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-15 17:54 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-15 22:59 ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-16 2:05 ` Stefan Monnier
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-08 22:24 BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
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