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From: Antoine Levitt <antoine.levitt@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC
Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 17:10:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pqai64vm.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com

05/05/12 16:35, Drew Adams
>> Thanks, but why isn't this done in general-purpose font-lock of email
>> messages?  Why limit this to Gnus?
>
> Bzzzzt - wrong question.  The question is NOT why we don't extend or generalize
> it to other Emacs email paraphernalia besides Gnus.  The question is why we send
> this crap at all in plain-text messages?
>
> That such markup might be useful within Org mode or Gnus or even Emacs generally
> is no reason to expose it in plain-text mail.
>
> We discourage the use of HTML messages in GNU mailing lists.  But then
> Gnus/Org/Emacs goes and rolls its own simulacrum?  And then everyone who is not
> using Emacs for mail has the obligatory privilege of seeing the markup?
>
> If Gnus/Emacs wants to render HTML or XML markup, great.  Email clients of many
> stripes generally know how to do that, so users do not see the markup itself.
>
> But whatever Gnus/Emacs decides to do about markup and "looking pretty", please
> keep the markup out of plain-text messages.  Some mailing list subscribers read
> and write mail outside of Emacs (imagine that).  And some mailing lists are
> mirrored to newsgroups and websites that can also be accessed without Emacs
> (imagine that).
>
> "Font-lock" prettifying doesn't mean a whole lot to the outside world.
>
> (Note: I would have no problem with the GNU mailing lists NOT discouraging HTML
> messages.  My point is that we should not (a) discourage HTML and then (b) bring
> in some artisanal, Emacs-specific markup through the back door.  HTML and XML at
> least provide (more or less) standard markup that is supported by many clients.)
>
> #+END_GNUS

The main problem with HTML emails is that they may be rendered
completely garbled depending on the viewer. You can't look at a HTML
message in plain text and make sense of it (of course, these days, HTML
messages usually include a sensible multipart plain text). You're very
welcome to completely ignore two lines of the mail. Then again, you're
just looking for a fight (again?) I'm not willing to get into, so feel
free to ignore this message as well.

Presumably it could be implemented by making it a minor mode that is
turned on by gnus/org by default and can also be turned on by other
modes or by the user?




  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-05 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-05  6:30 lexical-binding questions Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  6:45 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  8:16   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC (was: lexical-binding questions) Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05  8:39     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tom Rauchenwald
2012-05-05  8:54       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 13:38         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-05 17:02           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 16:03             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-06 16:46               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 17:03                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-05 14:35         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 15:10           ` Antoine Levitt [this message]
2012-05-05 15:57             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 17:00               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-05-05 17:35                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 21:38                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC John Wiegley
2012-05-07  2:25                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  6:23                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-07  9:37                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-05-06 14:17               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-05 15:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 16:43             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 17:12               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-07  8:57                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Julien Danjou
2012-05-07  9:46                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 17:36               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 19:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-05 20:00             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-07  5:44             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-07 14:23               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Wolfgang Jenkner
2012-05-08  4:08                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-08  7:37                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-08 11:41                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Juanma Barranquero
2012-05-08 12:17                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-08 14:32                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Andreas Röhler
2012-05-09  1:23                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 17:31                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  0:47                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09  3:50                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-09 11:35                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 12:23                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 13:43                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 14:57                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 17:08                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:06                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:20                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:30                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:44                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10  7:44                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:28                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:59                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 12:35                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:28                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 13:51                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-15  3:30                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 15:21                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Davis Herring
2012-05-15  3:56                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  9:02                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-10 13:05                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:55                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-15  3:52                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-16 14:00                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 13:52                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:44                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:33                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  4:45                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-09  6:28                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09  9:30                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-06-08  0:20                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 17:36                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-10  0:56                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-16 14:51                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 13:05                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 15:17                                 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus (was: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC) Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 14:21                                   ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 16:29                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:15           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:18             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 14:33               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Alan Mackenzie
2012-05-06 14:43                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 18:57               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 23:20                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07  2:21                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  9:56                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 11:04                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 13:29   ` lexical-binding questions Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 17:59     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-06  0:08     ` Miles Bader
2012-05-06  2:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-06  6:00     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 15:57   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 15:39       ` Drew Adams
2012-05-15  6:40       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 13:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14  3:57 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-14  4:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 17:09     ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-15 17:54       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 20:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-15 22:59           ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-16  2:05             ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-08 22:24 BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier

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