From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:55:17 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ppn1cru2.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87ha8f3jt1.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87ppn2qz0f.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87y51qcace.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874n4e3rkm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87txcdd6d0.fsf@lifelogs.com> <81B4EFAB-E984-4A44-90F9-DD4498BC183A@gmail.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391626540 4976 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2014 18:55:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:55:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 05 19:55:49 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WB7dU-0002pC-6q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:55:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32817 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WB7dT-0005hC-TP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:55:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60046) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WB7dF-0005go-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:55:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WB7dA-0003ML-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:55:33 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WB7d9-0003MD-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 13:55:27 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WB7d8-0002bU-FL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:55:26 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:55:26 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:55:26 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9IUhcj2wUlxJu/wwGlUQXxslbkE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169419 Archived-At: On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 09:00:58 -0800 chad wrote: c> On 05 Feb 2014, at 05:41, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> qmail and Postfix are system applications that run as daemons. >> Completely different from Emacs. Emacs is more like Firefox or Chrome >> with their embedded Javascript engines and layout renderers, as Lars >> pointed out. Those applications tend to use the platform's keychain >> facilities and do the crypto work internally. c> Are there *any* other applications (note that I did not say servers) c> that use external programs for encryption? Hell, *mutt* supports c> the features that Lars and Ted want. So do nmh and alpine. What c> doesnt? There are some successful applications like that. Git uses external credential and transport ("remote") helpers by design. I even wrote a netrc/authinfo helper for Git to decode a netrc .gpg file using GnuPG; see https://github.com/git/git/tree/master/contrib/credential/netrc I don't think any plaforms like Emacs have made the design choice to leave encryption only to external tools. I'm comparing it to Firefox and Chrome; Thunderbird and the other mail clients you mentioned; and http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/crypto/package-tree.html for Java. Usually there are plugins and optional libraries to use OpenPGP or GnuPG itself. Ted