From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:03:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87ppm1c67u.fsf@zigzag.favinet> References: <20140219080524.25689b6b@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83k3cr58o2.fsf@gnu.org> <530BAEE5.9040004@online.de> <87ppmatkpe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqgfsxsr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqgf37n4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ha7gshu9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871tyko9l5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87eh2ks897.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvn0mk25.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87bnxorlol.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877g8bmxal.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877g8asfl0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8738iyjrl3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mwh5ridq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqg9hn10.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3c9rddu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvmxhfi3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394013596 8667 80.91.229.3 (5 Mar 2014 09:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:59:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 05 11:00:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WL8cM-0003xb-VA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:00:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51011 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WL8cM-000822-HB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 05:00:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57336) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WL8cC-0007vl-UL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 04:59:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WL8c4-0003QD-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 04:59:52 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp206.alice.it ([82.57.200.102]:29660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WL8c4-0003Pq-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 04:59:44 -0500 Original-Received: from zigzag.favinet (79.7.72.61) by smtp206.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 529A678F135C1FA6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 10:59:42 +0100 Original-Received: from ttn by zigzag.favinet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WL8g1-0004wA-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 11:03:49 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87fvmxhfi3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:32:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 82.57.200.102 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170151 Archived-At: () David Kastrup () Tue, 04 Mar 2014 21:32:04 +0100 > No, the real problem is that our English dialects differ. Quite unlikely. "dialects" don't differ to a degree where causations are diametrically opposed. Well, to be pedantic, "support" and "require" both do not have causal connotations. That is, in both constructs: A supports B. A requires B. one cannot generally infer that A "causes" B (or vice versa). That A is impacted (perhaps negatively) by B (or its lack) is another matter entirely. I think a lot of misunderstanding arises when we forget this. -- Thien-Thi Nguyen GPG key: 4C807502 (if you're human and you know it) read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical) (not (via 'mailing-list))) => nil