From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: <87ppe3lbkr.fsf@yeeloong.lan> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mw97rjwm.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <8761fvn8io.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87egujahw6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wq8bd8w2.fsf@netris.org> <87y4sr909s.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412723575 5325 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2014 23:12:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Andreas Schwab , dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii , stephen@xemacs.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 08 01:12:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbdvy-0006dU-TV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 01:12:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32942 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbdvy-0004ys-GA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45689) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbdvg-0004xr-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbdva-0005Ct-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:12:28 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([96.39.62.75]:58954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbdvN-00054l-Ih; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from c-24-62-95-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.62.95.23] helo=yeeloong.lan) by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XbdvG-0000EU-8y; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:12:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87y4sr909s.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:56:31 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 96.39.62.75 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175101 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > You cannot successfully cater for clueless application programmers. It is not "clueless" to expect a UTF-8 encoder to produce valid UTF-8. Mark