From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:11:54 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87ppbrj2cl.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <87tx19rd1b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20141205215138.GF7784@thyrsus.com> <54823617.4000406@cs.ucla.edu> <83k325195l.fsf@gnu.org> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> <87k321jj4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54876F7F.9000607@cs.ucla.edu> <54877822.1030600@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418202960 25912 80.91.229.3 (10 Dec 2014 09:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:16:00 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 10 10:15:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XydNA-000337-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:15:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44108 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XydNA-0005vJ-Au for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:15:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49845) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XydMV-0005pX-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:15:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XydMP-0006GS-OJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:15:11 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51233) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XydMP-0006DU-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XydMO-0002c4-D2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:15:04 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4bbba.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.187.186]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:15:04 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4bbba.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:15:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4bbba.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1Pa0rg56yIqAl/6vw43u1HAluOk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179636 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Paul Eggert writes: > >> On 12/09/2014 02:00 PM, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: >>> Texinfo 4 is still available, isn't it? I can't recall whether I >>> installed it myself or it was just there, but I found Texinfo 5 >>> unbearable and switched. >> >> And that's a problem. The fact that so many core Emacs contributors >> stick with Texinfo 4 is not only a technical problem (Texinfo 4 >> doesn't check syntax typos as well, it is still quoting 1970s-style, >> etc.), it's a marketing problem as we're giving potential contributors >> the impression that our development process has ossified. > > Yes. The way the Texinfo maintainers dropped the ball here is perhaps > the best argument (so far) for why Emacs should switch to a different > input format. The idea of teamplay when one sees a team member drop the ball is not fingerpointing and defecting in my opinion. -- David Kastrup