From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:15:59 -0600 Message-ID: <87ppbf9w8g.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419023810 16375 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2014 21:16:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 19 22:16:43 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24ug-0001Qf-CA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:16:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60572 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24uf-0003TQ-LK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:16:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39422) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24uS-0003CA-Es for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:16:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24uJ-0003Yo-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:16:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]:44349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y24uJ-0003Yj-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:16:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id uy5so14401779obc.4 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:16:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:reply-to:cc:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=OHJ0Ef1qJJoKVgbRrek4YebwEt93MbfnKKVO7UrA0Ac=; b=pChdxBM2UBD2lpQ/ceCzxmaqsjz2TpLBmrSXkSWPPQOV52iIaXdsoXgqyOZ0DNq30B yWj/pgF8PTDLw3z0avwQgvoaPYy1kGpcbAF43k500pviZQFdCh4sC2YR8DquSPBesnC7 fmRWP90SV1yQfIz2lMdqHLQPnMuKm+T+oUTuUx5TC2zmfWE1Ai0Ei6WxNw2zsx32s2CV zWkyYyR8vv5nst7Ds0IQF3Q+iMjfk/ib2Z8b52Vv0EQHeTywx0OuaL4F0oMWX12RaP2G mgjNDl9Ae0u1ny5hj/DkuHi2YQyTZqwJxdOikBRmBfrqxH9xHdHrAMZ/UFO+/F/pDXmg NKXg== X-Received: by 10.202.9.142 with SMTP id 136mr5647956oij.89.1419023778255; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:16:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from belanger-home (67-60-106-71.cpe.cableone.net. [67.60.106.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j129sm5185471oib.25.2014.12.19.13.16.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:16:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:42:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180350 Archived-At: > The git translation was a good thing. Yes, which is why people on the devel list had been asking to move away from bzr for a while. Even then, it took many pleas to the bzr developers and for bzr to basically become defunct before we made the switch to git. The situation with texinfo is not similar. While there have been complaints about texinfo 5 being slow, I don't recall many (if any) people asking to move away from texinfo, there has been movement in texinfo to speed things up, and as far as I know texinfo isn't in danger of becoming unmaintained. It was very shocking and disappointing to read that Richard had agreed to change formats to asciidoc. It is even more surprising since TeXinfo is a GNU project, I believe. Sadly, I think the best thing that can happen here is that the discussion wastes everybody's time and we stick with texinfo. Oh, and texinfo 5 speeds up. Jay