From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:25:33 +0100 Message-ID: <87ppal62ci.fsf@zigzag.favinet> References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbkovhh7.fsf@engster.org> <87387rvobr.fsf@engster.org> <83ppat84hk.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106143933.0090bc83@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r3v77ij6.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106154539.3d0752c4@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87wq4ype3z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878uherlf3.fsf@wanadoo.es> <20150108194342.1bd83ed1@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20150109131335.1a39f892@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20150110170754.5190cc81@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420971727 3234 80.91.229.3 (11 Jan 2015 10:22:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:22:07 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 11 11:22:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YAFei-0003Hv-7j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:22:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57851 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAFeh-0002xM-EH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:21:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAFeT-0002xH-Uo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:21:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAFeO-0007uV-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:21:45 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp209.alice.it ([82.57.200.105]:41879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAFeO-0007tj-Gz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 05:21:40 -0500 Original-Received: from zigzag.favinet (95.245.74.67) by smtp209.alice.it (8.6.060.28) id 547E302505722F71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:21:37 +0100 Original-Received: from ttn by zigzag.favinet with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YAFiW-00015W-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:25:56 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20150110170754.5190cc81@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (Perry E. Metzger's message of "Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:07:54 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 82.57.200.105 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181145 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable () "Perry E. Metzger" () Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:07:54 -0500 I recognize that you don't want me to "change the subject" to refactoring, but I don't see this as a change of subject. The concern isn't as such code completion, that's just a detail. Right, i see this discussion as kind of like trying to decide how to get to the a southeast destination on the gridded city streets: one can go south then east, or east then south: =20=20 | A=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94= =80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80y A -- you= are here | =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 B -- destination | =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 | =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 x -- completion supported | =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 y -- AST exposed | =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 | x=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94= =80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80B At the destination, Emacs and GCC will be friendly and fruitful and a new era of meta-to-the-Nth free software hacking begins. M-x praise-gnu-i-can-hardly-wait RET! I think the route through =E2=80=98x=E2=80=99, determining the minimal requ= ired design for supporting only completion and implementing that, makes for a lot more work, later (segment =E2=80=98xB=E2=80=99). That will= be a pain not only in quantity, but also in quality, in the sense of conceptual backtracking, design retrofitting, and other "undo". I think it would be wise to traverse =E2=80=98Ay=E2=80=99 first, even though that's a lot of work, too, and more importantly, fraught w/ the danger of (professional :-D) proprietary misappropriation. The latter risk is mitigated because traversing =E2=80=98yB=E2=80=99 will be fa= st. True, it will be fast also for the (pro) prop m.prop. forces, but i think free software hackers are more nimble, confident, and capable of achieving a multiplicity of superior results. That last statement is both evidence- and faith-based. The reader is invited to percolate their experience to taste... =2D-=20 Thien-Thi Nguyen GPG key: 4C807502 (if you're human and you know it) read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical) (not (via 'mailing-list))) =3D> nil --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlSyT6AACgkQZwMiJEyAdQJVUgCfQimYBUcZSGtssDi57BUeAT6q 8jgAnA3FjYnjBW4VNWDX63xWchNTo+// =7JaZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--