From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:31:45 +0200 Message-ID: <87pp2idr26.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817173551.GB2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D29EA6.2020009@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818103921.GA2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D36132.1020900@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818171715.GD2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3869E.30302@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818204211.GF2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D3A641.7040409@cs.ucla.edu> <20150818231529.GG2262@acm.fritz.box> <55D404F4.90401@cs.ucla.edu> <87oai37fm5.fsf@members.fsf.org> <55D4FABE.4060904@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440077540 31131 80.91.229.3 (20 Aug 2015 13:32:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:32:20 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 20 15:32:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSPwv-0000Ok-FQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:32:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36988 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSPwu-0006n7-Dp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:32:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52825) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSPwl-0006kM-A4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:32:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSPwi-0006Xs-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49282) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSPwh-0006Xk-Sz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSPwe-0000Bq-1R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:31:52 +0200 Original-Received: from 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.43.64.122]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:31:52 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:31:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 122.red-83-43-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+IPfEqEkHL2B75sj2WtoVtNJaa8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188971 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: [snip] > Óscar Fuentes wrote: >> The only way you can have problems with accented letters is >> if you lie to the OS saying that your keyboard is not Spanish. > > Yes, and I've lied to the OS about that sort of thing with localized > keyboards; it happens. Maybe that's because you are not a typical user. In my decades-long experience supporting non-techy users, I barely recall a case involving a misconfigured keyboard. > We can't expect Emacs to work well in every such misconfiguration. My point was about the difficulty of typing those curly quotes. That's on a properly configured keyboard. BTW, the X method (which doesn't work on my Kubuntu 15.04 + USA layout international variant, but that's maybe a misconfiguration caused by my efforts of making it work on a sensible way) is an aberration, IMHO. It *always* takes me more time to figure out which key combination gives the char that I want than searching the web and paste it. And when I use some combination, and manage to remember it (difficult) then it is broken on the next OS upgrade. I'm sure that Emacs can do better than . I *think* that it already does better. What I don't know is how forcing curly quotes on the source code can help.