From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS/TLS proposals for after the release Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:25:31 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87poqqg7xg.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87furnhj3g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8737nngdnr.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467815305 8339 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 14:28:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:28:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 16:28:08 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKno7-0006gU-Mp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:28:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33819 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKno7-00013s-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnlo-0006PG-54 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:25:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnlj-0001MY-4I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:25:42 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:43973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnli-0001M7-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:25:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnlg-0004yc-Qf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:25:36 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:25:36 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:25:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:XAsoEgylGRnVbu6g5MLpZiJLzB0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205248 Archived-At: On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 08:21:44 -0400 Ted Zlatanov wrote: TZ> On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:32:59 -0700 John Wiegley wrote: >>>>>>> Ted Zlatanov writes: >>> Here are some thoughts about the near future of gnutls.el and friends (none >>> urgently needed for the release): JW> Ted, can you, or someone with more experience in this area, help me to JW> understand these alternatives? If we are all generally agreed on one over the JW> others, I'm willing to go with the wisdom of consensus. TZ> These are three separate proposals, not alternatives of each other. TZ> They have different purposes: (1) is to make tls.el, which uses TZ> command-line tunnels, more noisy by default, so users are led to the C TZ> bindings to GnuTLS (gnutls.el). (2) is to disable SSLv3 in tls.el. (3) TZ> is to change the variables in gnutls.el a bit to make customization and TZ> future work easier. (3) is the only risky one because it affects user TZ> customizations, but I think we have to bite that buller sooner or later. TZ> There are several people who have worked in this area besides me, mainly TZ> Lars and Paul Eggert I think. I asked Lars about (3) already but haven't TZ> heard back. Any comments are welcome, of course. In support of (1) and (2), see http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/200356 (thread: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/1203642 ) where Lars and Kurt discussed the dangerously outdated state of s_client invocation strings. So some work in that direction has already been done; I'm just proposing to continue it. Ted