From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Encoding of etc/HELLO Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 17:34:45 +0200 Message-ID: <87po2t6gdm.fsf@gmx.de> References: <83sh7qxb5j.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1524238428 15217 195.159.176.226 (20 Apr 2018 15:33:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 15:33:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 20 17:33:44 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f9Y2h-0003sr-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 17:33:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37991 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f9Y4n-0004t3-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f9Y3q-0004sM-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:34:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f9Y3p-0001Fh-6P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:34:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:33695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f9Y3k-0000xY-Ga; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 11:34:48 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.86.40.41]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M9K5G-1fGjKy2nUs-00CkBO; Fri, 20 Apr 2018 17:34:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83sh7qxb5j.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 Apr 2018 16:25:28 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WoLuDyZXAk2V/GxZBFwCaJpgk1B3p7lsdoxcvzd5uZPwl0r1sO6 ITfnUOVeKuPo/M4V1PHtIujs165gFngEuCeYCJW8/8PZaW27JqZeqZgVQr0Wh2vBLhsIekc xQFGuVM0hCHtTLzGcpftKm3XTZuSwfK3JAi0gnOXzuIZrqL2kfASsEjC1U0FQ0P5cFntdjZ +w98RuOhwp7ErK5qVWy1g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gqRSXk3SRqg=:vduaSxnbcn5obAdzo0TzPP kZ+AxQxFM3//2kqBXJ2eme0/Xlv97CfTylIH7K3H7sdFsr/X6qFwN/F69Exv+fVJwF9ieeSQs W+HnXU5eeW5UXvNAaJaHz3bL392W9Ocpnytp0w6zD8cvxlDGDqMP5BJWtrBr43Y0YE8C79JlY 68QO4S6klap6GL8H/oPOBw3U6rQi3+h3uH8/By4I33x3qOmgpx4GCq3cxPTGEEetZT0TKBQMT 1j47OxuqWYvRtRuosuwMfaKVwgMSxC9mux8b9x9RRfjAZ2heZDbgi2GMmZyc3/AhjWz0o+dlu n33W9wbgvELifQN6RrpehPEKv0mv4uuL+kJmHmmxHCMtGjlDTimhIoAm6QtP0ZFz+7Be8M+Wc yuTNGRp+7g/4ySA3efRHXcreDDoLb69sP6vqS4HmDsvobxY9BsZ/VsU9DLrhiU+Kh029IJ0Q1 EpQFpW9rn1+F7mMtOtIErO4Hou0RsXlUubLcgQB/3P2GXr5oi6oLjR3jikkFdchFC66cOx21D 6shv6vXfnhW6Jsfp/xVDIMueH+r5DJbhJhKDO5m6UfH4JWJ27MNX8cLv2eS5jpT3QiWp5G+dl 17a+qKRsLsaXr0oA1Z8z/ihkdyiLt+Yy9Td1LOaHDA4Kqvu6MtuDiiG3OiqJgiyPmgjmoI66z LA5yDzmKg8oS4ntEVk7VxrsFkHQBPGKWRGw+yGOzeJRokOTgHiTLhRzL+28o68byMWAIh7S/b ZT1YBuqDxnXO/FOvJohCHFSQfQgAJUQXxJXs7Rtyb8veH/kbPYL6KQXNSF6WFXbsdIQJwGby X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.18 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224741 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, > Michael, your recent changes to encode HELLO in UTF-8 are problematic > and AFAIU should be reverted, because they lose the CJK charset > information. See > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-08/msg01409.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2013-03/msg00429.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2013-03/msg00475.html > > and the surrounding discussions for more about that. I see. No problem to revert the patch, it isn't important. However, quoting the last reference above --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- When a file is in some legacy encoding such as iso-2022-7bit, Emacs attached charset properties to proper ranges of text, which works as a hint for selecting a proper font especially for CJK characters. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I'm wondering why it is possible to attach charset properties for iso-2022-7bit, but not for utf-8. Note, that I don't know too much about this topic. Best regards, Michael.