From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
To: Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:36:04 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pnb7u70r.fsf@red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k11htj96.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Lemmer Webber's message of "Tue, 12 May 2020 08:44:53 -0400")
On 12 May 2020, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
>ndame writes:
>
>> There is a discussion on Reddit about sponsoring development of
>> multithreading in Emacs, and people there say it's too hard, takes a
>> lot of time and it doesn't even bring that much benefit to the user.
>>
>> If this is the case (is it?) then what are those other features which
>> could bring much more tangible benefits for the user and assuming
>> somebody works on them full time sponsored by the community they can
>> be implemented in, say, a few months?
>
>I guess there are really two potential directions to think about it:
>
> - What is the most potentially useful direction for newcomers who are
> familiar with other mainstream UI patterns?
> - What is the most potentially useful project for existing everyday
> emacs users?
>
>I think these are two separate things to solve. IMO the former is more
>important than the latter right now because Emacs has a way of making
>users capable of extending it... it is one of the most beautiful things
>about the choice of lisp as its configuration system.
>
>So the real question to me would be: how do we lower the barrier to
>entry? [...]
>
>Thus if there's a space for paid work, I think it would be to do this
>work which might not be as directly useful to the developer, but would
>be directly useful to other newcomers. It would be useful and important
>IMO to directly test against newcomers' experiences and collect feedback.
FWIW -- and perhaps to your surprise -- I would argue that this is *not* the important question for Emacs.
I've explained why in another thread:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg01855.html
From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
To: Emacs Devel
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:18:50 -0500
Message-ID: <871rnnvmdx.fsf@red-bean.com>
Best regards,
-Karl
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-13 16:36 UTC|newest]
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2020-05-11 20:09 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? ndame
2020-05-12 6:57 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-12 7:13 ` ndame
2020-05-12 12:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-12 13:07 ` ndame
2020-05-12 14:56 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13 0:39 ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-05-13 1:34 ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-13 1:50 ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-12 10:00 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-12 11:10 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13 3:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-13 10:32 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-14 5:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 10:34 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-15 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 8:15 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 22:07 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-18 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 8:05 ` Tramp and crypted files (was: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?) Michael Albinus
2020-05-19 4:01 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 14:38 ` Tramp and crypted files Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 8:51 ` Deus Max
2020-05-19 14:48 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 8:27 ` Deus Max
2020-05-20 8:49 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 17:49 ` Deus Max
2020-05-20 19:09 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-25 18:48 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-26 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-26 7:13 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-27 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28 13:05 ` Deus Max
2020-05-29 9:16 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-29 16:33 ` Deus Max
2020-06-07 15:08 ` Michael Albinus
2020-06-13 12:06 ` Deus Max
2020-06-13 13:15 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-29 18:22 ` Deus Max
2020-05-17 8:28 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 11:57 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:34 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 16:33 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 17:39 ` Tramp nextcloud (was: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?) Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 18:12 ` Tramp nextcloud H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-13 8:59 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-13 9:33 ` Tramp nextcloud (SOLVED) Eric S Fraga
2020-05-13 10:45 ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13 11:10 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:04 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Arthur Miller
2020-05-12 16:00 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-12 12:30 ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-13 1:22 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
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2020-05-13 2:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-13 3:58 ` jao
2020-05-13 23:12 ` João Távora
2020-05-14 0:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 10:08 ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-14 10:17 ` tomas
2020-05-14 10:34 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 10:40 ` tomas
2020-05-15 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-15 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 9:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-17 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 12:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-17 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17 7:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-18 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 3:56 ` shr.el rename? Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 5:50 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-19 12:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-19 16:47 ` T.V Raman
2020-05-20 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 15:20 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Filipp Gunbin
2020-05-18 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 9:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 10:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:07 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:49 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 12:14 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 15:28 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-16 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 6:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-16 8:24 ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-17 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 11:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-12 12:44 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-13 16:36 ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2020-05-14 3:01 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-14 4:08 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14 10:01 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 16:35 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-17 1:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-18 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28 4:00 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 17:19 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-28 18:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-28 20:52 ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 21:10 ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:27 ` andres.ramirez
2020-05-28 21:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-29 13:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-28 21:14 ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-29 13:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-29 1:24 ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-29 3:36 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29 3:06 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-29 3:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29 13:19 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-30 5:23 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-05-29 13:11 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13 17:48 ` ndame
2020-05-14 1:15 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-14 4:10 ` ndame
2020-05-14 4:28 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 5:37 ` ndame
2020-05-17 12:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-17 13:18 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-19 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17 22:03 ` chad
2020-05-13 21:05 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-05-14 14:35 ` Björn Lindqvist
2020-06-03 11:39 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? A: Autocompletion Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 12:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 12:50 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 13:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 13:59 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 14:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 14:40 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 18:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 14:49 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-03 20:15 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-03 20:49 ` Drew Adams
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-12 7:11 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Zhu Zihao
2020-05-12 7:22 ndame
2020-05-27 15:58 Van Ly
2020-05-28 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-30 7:17 ` Van Ly
2020-05-31 7:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-31 10:01 ` Van Ly
2020-05-31 12:49 ` excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-06-01 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-01 5:21 ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-02 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-02 3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2020-06-02 5:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-01 9:11 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-01 23:32 ` Bastien
2020-06-01 23:50 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-06 9:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 9:58 ` tomas
2020-06-06 10:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:29 ` tomas
2020-06-06 14:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 14:58 ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-06 20:18 ` tomas
2020-06-06 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 9:59 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-06-06 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:18 ` tomas
2020-06-06 12:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
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