From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users (was: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:47:43 +0300 Message-ID: <87pn6stdc0.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> <83o8mcfjxb.fsf@gnu.org> <83een8fi2u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8785"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 19:48:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGnA0-0002Ar-ES for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 19:48:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43534 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGn9z-0000eq-Gr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:48:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGn9Q-0000Cx-Ux for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:55613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGn9P-0003RD-6q; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [149.0.50.61]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02DB1240007; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:47:44 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.178.230; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay10.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/11 13:47:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255220 Archived-At: On 2020-09-11 18:46 +03, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions= . wrote: > They are indeed, I'm not denying this. My point of view here is: what > are the most essential things that a user needs to know to use Emacs > if we have no more than three minutes? Clearly (at least to me) it is > possible to use Emacs without knowing what a "buffer" or a "window" > is. Someone who can=E2=80=99t spare more than three minutes to research a tool = that they may end up using for a life time for the majority of their workday is IMHO not a kind of user we should strive to support. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427