From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Re Org 9.4 is out. Can you help? // breaking apart Org Mode Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:21:21 +0200 Organization: GNU Message-ID: <87pn6c29a6.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19708"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: William Rankin , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: William Rankin via "General discussions about Org-mode." Original-X-From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 23 10:21:46 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kL025-0004zj-Uj for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:21:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57868 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kL025-00038S-0e for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 04:21:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kL01k-00038E-Ut; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 04:21:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40498) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kL01k-0004Sf-6G; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 04:21:24 -0400 Original-Received: from lns-bzn-32-82-254-31-120.adsl.proxad.net ([82.254.31.120]:36484 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kL01j-0004cD-Oc; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 04:21:23 -0400 Original-Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F3C41A60D4C; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:21:21 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (William Rankin via's message of "Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:05:20 +1000") X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.orgmode:131825 gmane.emacs.devel:256351 Archived-At: Hi William, thanks a lot for bringing this up. Of course, Org would benefit from code cleanup and code refactoring. And yes, we can collectively push toward (1) modularizing Org a little more, (2) making Org features better interact with Emacs core features and (3) integrating some of Org's features into Emacs core as Emacs features. IMHO the good examples you give fall into one of the category above, and I think such efforts are likely to happen in that order: 1, 2, 3. The better way to make this happen is to start a discussion with a patch explaining how it makes 1, 2 or 3, then discussing the patch here on this list - the smaller the better. If you cannot make a patch, first discuss your idea, and once the implementation seems clear, call for help by using a mail header: X-Woof-Help: Help with making X a new module Thanks, -- Bastien