From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 13:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <87pn5vgqsk.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20201001141144.GO4797@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201001160136.chwmpollk4d3qc2e@Ergus> <20201004175447.GG15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <87362tvnil.fsf@gmail.com> <20201004194815.GH15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <11EB917D-3276-4D34-8DCD-2336E8062950@mit.edu> <20201005040245.GJ15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201005084441.GB4453@protected.rcdrun.com> <87zh50lhda.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5775"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Ergus , Fermin , Jean Louis , Caio Henrique , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers , Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii To: Qiantan Hong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 06 20:21:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPrad-0001Me-VB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 20:21:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60282 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPrad-0000Yj-1q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:21:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55306) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPrZU-0008Rz-F1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:20:20 -0400 Original-Received: from newsp.red-bean.com ([45.79.25.59]:51432 helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPrZR-0004sw-UL; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:20:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=red-bean.com; s=202005newsp; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:Reply-To:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=7ebl9noMoHOVV4EATIFHxw5XXhEIXdvL1axdQide4qI=; t=1602008416; x=1603218016; b=YYjuY/qa2VlRTISovw0i32cJ1hVfaf86EF6MUet9b+hqeEeIDEoCbNDPHj1IDe51RUN/AYTOj+ T/92hYVZ718OqVm8ZWDkmH/PWaQXmg+2SLC75PHce2tqR7skLeZ4e2xJfqL/MofesAkEhDqXUm8RY JMLETJia639u/8LwGp+3sTfP2Tvd/xMl4MZ4W/YL9Or6+06JKyAVtnq1oPNgo2VoxiVBuhdnB//bJ WGqQjVAxS03HUgaj8B6eRW/UxBtg4Hq/HU1AN261sk1DyImaMb+wVcv6M9cXB7JpefosQmF6ieStF qXrW20cAE60VYToQAYAxyi7+daGSdxNvEWmbA==; Original-Received: from 99-112-125-163.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net ([99.112.125.163]:40748 helo=floss) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPrZM-00038f-W7; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 18:20:13 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Qiantan Hong's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 2020 01:03:57 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.79.25.59; envelope-from=kfogel@red-bean.com; helo=sanpietro.red-bean.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/06 14:20:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257177 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06 Oct 2020, Qiantan Hong wrote: >On this topic, I=E2=80=99m considering supporting sending the traffic over >IRC. Seems that it solves all those problem, what do you guys think? > >The process will be that one user create a channel with a random >name, say on freenode.net, then they share the channel name >with other user (maybe via IRC as well!). Others can then join the >channel, and it behaves basically like TCP. To avoid spamming >the same authentication protocol for TCP (to be implemented) can >also work on IRC. The messages from user without authentication >are simply discarded. That's an interesting idea! But do you intend to keep the "no server" option available too? That is, f= or people whose network firewalls allow it, will it always be possible to j= ust run crdt.el with one of the Emacsen acting as server itself? 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