From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:35:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87pn5naro3.fsf@gnus.org> References: <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <83mu0s50if.fsf@gnu.org> <87blh8fm11.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0vv2xzt.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4648"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 02:36:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8JD-00017E-5b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:36:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56710 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8JC-0006pk-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:36:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56132) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8IU-0005kL-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:36:10 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:57234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8IQ-0005jN-9o; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:36:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2Yzz11YxrYJ5xEnHCSI+nTFm2k1RVpVRGYRdEOF53p4=; b=XT/FWoDOYlr6H5UB44kGKyJjpB 1NQkg2xQvyrCU6OQg0pbuJwThV/KlJ40smfagxebPR+ko6CN5eU+Np9UdrpXgsKD21WtemkhQ3Crf 0GMlAOFtQAoJFbz86TevNeqtAUIRWq3EHpe42gBqQE/2d0ErnvOwy1+4S8KT+Pd4LZQ0=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8IH-0008H3-UO; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:36:03 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAJ1BMVEX72xn+4hvvyx/N shmrlBZpWRARDAVLMxSWbB/hoC/HY0jhikH////izVLSAAAAAWJLR0QMgbNRYwAAAAd0SU1FB+QK DQAjB9kW0YoAAAGrSURBVDjLnZO7TzJBEMBnrzF2sxALYwO3EqOV7m6IsVJ2QUKlES7ae/tRmvjA 2hyKHb6iF0tsjJ0WxvjPuRzPA/miTnKPnd+8dmYXYExoW8bVJNJT7Fhgd0m79hHo6eLyJ0D/CvqF jYBR194acbDpOIDvAcb7MQCjnRoH/WCREbGlRloczkESKSTJHLW24A4JJD2zgSfmDFaD2ZboChcC PGOqGd9U74y57AMrYCx4T+f97JEotZTsaJnQ4Au1W2ySzcIBzrW6YQR3BfiAFZkm9cIZn3sKtNa9 HL5e+MeCzH6hflzfPKnVarK8o1WjAlUuPabyR5mAuwuNRuNiWZcru0EFPJSecyXVzAFLTYVheL8i ilLnFWRzdbPczG47p/Nccxfm7eaWPl9CKBx6Zuv6/JrcSb4nhSukEqWPNwVFLh5yV2K6yXLJS+vC bFGl19sy0ISijzfrdPFVujui3SUm1l6eQwCHQ4JxpCmWSmNnIOi6i9Ff+4HO4Mmg7dHXvklsUE78 hGJ/+TNgJzsBkEkek5LDrwH+Ggwfd2f4uvwPkG8BTgLxcn8IBqG+ANNJgmZPJSMbAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEwLTEzVDAwOjM1OjA3KzAwOjAwffmxzgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMC0xMC0xM1QwMDozNTowNyswMDowMAykCXIAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Figurine's _Transportation + Communication = Love_: "I Wait for You (By the Telephone)" In-Reply-To: <83k0vv2xzt.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:46:30 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257507 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> But... Now that you mention it, I don't quite see how to use :align-to >> in the mode line (in general). It takes as a parameter the target >> column number (or pixels), so if we want to say "this element should be >> at least 80 pixels wide", then we need to know what column/pixel we're >> on already, don't we? > > Yes. But that's how you design tabulated display, don't you? You > select the coordinate where each column will end, and set tab stops > there, right? More or less. But how would this work for mode lines? There's nothing tabular about those, and they move around a lot. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no