From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:37:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87pn37jvzt.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <56d1484e-6f41-575f-0fbb-fd2bd99ab152@yandex.ru> <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> <3156f8b8-1db1-1858-95c3-16d213c2353a@yandex.ru> <87czz8n1gk.fsf@gnus.org> <83zh2c7bal.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36193"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 18 10:38:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kqCDZ-0009Kt-Gs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:38:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50506 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqCDY-0005lC-IU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 04:38:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqCCY-0004tn-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 04:37:30 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:51492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqCCL-0007a6-My; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 04:37:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ukL7kmMY9bos4k8iDPzMVBAkjfcwSiCOwmgYCp0h0vA=; b=ZfbLhOkg1M1LJyFOMbSEAYEN6E FDC+QkZUYf7fo4FisAtuEMeng/M3sbLvYMvzdtIyYpxuAdev62VnoOE7Lhz8n0H/TuFftjI9NrSGn CC6XMIlhdmjixorl2yQ1L7nfKB+VHnFkOuefl2Rpt5b94ZnhOLXKC4HcrywmbXVnCC9k=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kqCCF-0000Gr-D9; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:37:14 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEXg2MSohFhCLBz/ //99UzgIAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QMEgkZL0HhLu8AAAGCSURBVCjPTdG/btswEAbw j4HsIZNcRILjOQEaPQVd2AHaiYMoRJrTAtZTtEN3LxJgTRlEw3dP2Y+00fa46Ie7458T8H9k+c4s YLfmk7nCwLpdvr0ht1yr7FqW8TMvCK6/sfLWu713ufc1Kh11mtQH1Quh46Da6BVSnlWnhGfV4qwy aU+UqlmvGrrTlyPKTn8TGsRbbF6V/cS5Bapf3Jsh40B89ItYxtwOz/PSbAI5hDc8PS63XeCZzWWN l6WxKp7HzrwbrNXTqtduqGGOMPK1+MamGvkDMKN4ZWmNz0jgDmONjY24I2QH1BGGODjkxmJ2uGNP nILDO7BUaS0zDj9sBJ/wwqbyA/e8j0P1s0BWxwfrkU94xAJorpgLa6zpiBnVpXQZ+xm8tTzlLbob dC50IEQzIjSTpoyNsz70hzgS4dxUT9/Tt8QyTS06HB7+wbcJIiwTv39LGWEm+L1ENHHnwTfxz4UL Kf6GdTWyynepZ70ZWeXbmJne70NEw/FxKBxQij9xdtK7GNeEuQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUA MjAyMC0xMi0xOFQwOToyNTo0NyswMDowMJHHR1AAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMTIt MThUMDk6MjU6NDcrMDA6MDDgmv/sAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _Remastered (4): The Dreaming_: "Pull Out The Pin" In-Reply-To: <83zh2c7bal.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:32:50 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261177 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't understand what you'd like to have instead. Would you like > Emacs to instead constantly add and remove tool-bar buttons as they > become available/not available? I think this would be much more > annoying, and will cause even more people to disable the tool bar. We're discussing different options. I don't think somebody has suggested dynamically adding/removing buttons from the toolbar, though? What has been suggested is that only modes where it makes sense should enable the toolbar (and there probably aren't that many where it makes much sense). However, that's probably technically difficult -- people have setups where they've computed the size of the Emacs windows based on whether (or not) they have toolbars enabled? So switching the toolbars on/off dynamically may lead to some difficulties in that area? Perhaps modes with "action buttons" (like mpc/eww) should just put the buttons in the header line. And then we're back to the original suggestion: Just default the toolbar to "off". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no