From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:06:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87pn10ueld.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210213141226.EEDFE20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <47209379-76df-4c97-e5ff-b3b04da0db1d@yandex.ru> <87zh07of0e.fsf@gnus.org> <0605ed62-a785-d190-caf2-2232e1db3b0f@yandex.ru> <87mtw6d480.fsf@gnus.org> <87eehid3k2.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1liblzb.fsf@gnus.org> <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> <834kic9g0a.fsf@gnu.org> <8735xwvusc.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33960"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 16 18:31:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lC4Bn-0008h1-2w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:31:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44554 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC4Bm-0006Do-2D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:31:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3oF-0004eq-Pb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:06:47 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:44494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3oE-0002P0-1f; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:06:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=g0xacR4a8mHueYA5t07NA13C1r6x6ssr60WTp7JQOiQ=; b=nesSt4b+kmLIQN0kAHuZkjs6tx ni5DmJJxW5FI/l8bt4NlDNnAaJlRWzX6rJVa+heB8pbfTq0YunpbBGhNA424fbHHA3mlMs9tmI15A WTeWQNH7qFS0ddfCetW+8cEIslr8zFwHPO5hYqvyPDxxxWpzE+MPOzPPy/QjzKFJYW/Y=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3o7-0006lM-Vu; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 18:06:42 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAIVBMVEVYAQFZExRIAQE4 AQEkAAAcAAALAAFiAAA9DxAuEBH////9nmypAAAAAWJLR0QKaND0VgAAAAd0SU1FB+UCEBAUGm9u qTEAAAF4SURBVDjLnZNNjoMwDIWtFIntHAGFqWZb8bOYXUWdC4DdG5Q1ahc5w9x6nEBI2sJixkgg 8vFs5zkAfGgfZT2HLgCU1jUY3owbjOMmGIGvW+u0B3APGAF/q5ECqquyrkwEIVVnc2ttlihoUfQA cGhC9ZCKtG7FjBabVbEkgjzrIDtb2/rvrgFo7iaDlDeXR9j5nMkQn1omxVy5jWMEl6qU56lsyDCl YChcp/3UCsAIGAvICE0PCp8VxQSHEyhp7sBB4Vw428kN1M3VfsrKqjjrIj/Kc5hyeyfGtV3k/o5y FJovpUtKihvus04pOPQPVxrXCSINmbhEQ/3w63hbgCjU0Xv5BgaNTtmVM1hT+UsULhYwklfIu3cP OSjGORXOgCJYagQF8UtxDAB3AP4DXFKADhDGiCY6kBDaUOym8uAnBXJWVsCLJQt46mrc23mi8MDg W3E3jwBebafgbgT0mgr9ulPQc1dyhiWBibML4LtC9Aff/6Nzs+7+C5goU5g2IF0EAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTE2VDE2OjIwOjI2KzAwOjAw/0QTSQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0xNlQxNjoyMDoyNiswMDowMI4Zq/UAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Afrodeutsche's _Break Before Make_: "The Middle Middle" In-Reply-To: <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:03:19 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264900 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > To me, the proposed alternatives sound like a clear win, since the >> > downsides are non-existent, whereas the advantage is clear. Why do we >> > need to insist on introducing bytecode incompatibility? >> >> Nobody responded to my dismissals, so I have no idea what parts (if any) >> of those people thought were insufficient. > > I thought they did, but maybe I've mixed up the chronology here, as > mail delivery was behaving strangely during the last few days. > >> Could you explain, perhaps? > > What part would you like me to explain? Why it's important that commands loaded from .elc files are backwards compatible when commands loaded from .el files aren't, for instance. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no