From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: <87pmzq6lvn.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3de3d30abf1@heytings.org> <8735wnjsum.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg4n9jei.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efhx3e.fsf@gnus.org> <838s6f9g5d.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2efgg3w.fsf@gnus.org> <878s6fgdzu.fsf@gnus.org> <19c1ec9e-a97f-a8ab-b966-edadbc299c39@yandex.ru> <83mtuu8gdz.fsf@gnu.org> <87tup26om4.fsf@posteo.net> <831rc682js.fsf@gnu.org> <1bfef8b5-aa26-f64f-1e3b-06aabc9e9939@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13734"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org, gregory@heytings.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 23 14:28:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOh4x-0003Tg-Rj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:28:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38884 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOh4w-0003bx-Rq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:28:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOh4E-0002ga-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:56351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOh4C-0006i6-Gq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23F50160065 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:27:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1616506046; bh=CHvG/9bFDdU+IiA3PyOsm2vuMUC9P4in2Ve231yybIY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=L3tsjDIt4Vl4fugc4ZW1rdHC4Ho9ruSOCG/Tbb2W+EoB29LjVzfi3GWYa/TKR5Wul 5U5zaC5T1hA/2/mZo5ryAyDxucwT1+uiBKXQ1hsdDDt4OdMg6diUo8oAL3yWuDwGNj 10N/adbA6N7J7I8oURA8qPD9o1V0/Re9gMgJqlA8ObGnTS7IxCpnoYl2jd5KPxbBgY pTdlYv5gQnaoQ94plvfidwbSNGbSJDb1U3l/X/T8pUo9Xw+/ZN5Qw/WcBvwslWN18k /6LFbWCjJtGVjcqTxZEe0WsQED/tpX+Brnnv0tN44HNMAj4R01IEsyEfqOjrreCc/a Fqma9iSbi2KfA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4F4XGh6PPZz9ry4; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:27:24 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <1bfef8b5-aa26-f64f-1e3b-06aabc9e9939@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:09:50 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266872 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 23.03.2021 14:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> But eventually, the intent is to change the default behavior, because >> rebinding any key to any command is already possible, and nothing >> prevents users from doing that in their private init files. So >> having a non-default theme that makes a bunch of such rebindings >> makes little sense to me. > > I think the above is more important than the goal of making it a > default (which might or might not happen in 10 years or so, if we end > up reaching some critical mass of users who dislike Emacs's historical > bindings). > > But even while the alternative keybindings theme is not the default, > we would maintain it and keep it usable. Whenever we add something to > the default set, we would consider adding a corresponding binding to > that other theme, etc. You mean new default commands, right? > Having an alternative, well-considered set of bindings which new user > can just toggle on and get comfortable should be valuable. Yes, this was my understanding too. Ideally, the splash screen could instruct new users how to change the UX theme, making it easier to get comfortable. -- Philip K.