From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:28:35 +0000 Message-ID: <87pmt2rrb0.fsf@posteo.net> References: <877dfavmzw.fsf@posteo.net> <83v92uxfto.fsf@gnu.org> <871r5it76n.fsf@posteo.net> <83r1dixebr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15377"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 21 15:29:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mSfpq-0003mQ-5G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:29:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47606 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSfpo-000311-V0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:29:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSfpF-0002Hs-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:33603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mSfpB-0001CW-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C91C9240104 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:28:37 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1632230917; bh=1+a4oPGkXKDFT0NzN1W4E5I8uMP/k6QdaYKt7h7hWl8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=rDr8ts4pa7AtCsZhuJaGQ44egOxlVKMaeEMDsW8QodCcmGc+gf5kfT1MxI75EI41z 2Uff709hJmGzxgaO+68ZXVt8cqfF38p8W00m2ndPrDrzmwpZG2wZnYMybanjsODyNv By7dfWH9txtrigdG3L+VDmwhNHbroYh5WU4xDjwOlhLq2kwIkWGuwwDI0ifwrz5k5F YE6/GkDWS5gJdFIfUkHI//VteltI0KibagCCVsT3QudplHsOkAzPsox4so/7y3hOUQ 31Be3gt29n6UmByO0BowA8OBdMa24Ni8u/jwQZalEf/2a1YfDsGVcDj0F7XotWUCrL JocT/YpWpccsQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HDMh4670Vz9rxp; Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <83r1dixebr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2021 16:12:24 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275229 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 13:00:16 +0000 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , >> Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora >>=20 >> > Can symbol-renaming help here, perhaps? I believe Jo=C3=A3o is trying= to >> > get it ready in time for Emacs 28. >>=20 >> Going by my proposal, the library does nothing when loaded in Emacs >> 28.1, because it is already compatible to itself. No need for an extra >> layer. It is only of interest to older versions, and they won't be able >> to make use of symbol-renaming. > > Why it is a problem for older versions to load symbol-renaming as > well? My understanding was that this would depend on Emacs 28, but if not then I retract my comment. --=20 Philip Kaludercic