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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
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@ 2021-10-19 13:09   ` Michael Albinus
  2021-10-19 15:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii

eliz@gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii) writes:

Hi,

> diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
> index b7c4346..a847a88 100644
> --- a/etc/NEWS
> +++ b/etc/NEWS
>  +++
>  ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences.
> +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode.  You can then type
> +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
> +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
> +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
> +next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is

I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."?

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-19 13:09   ` emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode' Michael Albinus
@ 2021-10-19 15:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2021-10-19 16:52       ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-10-19 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: emacs-devel

> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:09:11 +0200
> 
> eliz@gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644
> > --- a/etc/NEWS
> > +++ b/etc/NEWS
> >  +++
> >  ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences.
> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode.  You can then type
> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
> > +next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
> 
> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."?

Maybe.  But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence,
and refilled the rest.



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-19 15:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-10-19 16:52       ` Michael Albinus
  2021-10-19 19:04         ` Juri Linkov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

Hi,

>> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
>> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644
>> > --- a/etc/NEWS
>> > +++ b/etc/NEWS
>> >  +++
>> >  ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences.
>> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode.  You can then type
>> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
>> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
>> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
>> > +next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
>>
>> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."?
>
> Maybe.  But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence,
> and refilled the rest.

I Know. But since you don't object, I believe I'm not wrong. Changed.

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-19 16:52       ` Michael Albinus
@ 2021-10-19 19:04         ` Juri Linkov
  2021-10-19 19:59           ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2021-10-19 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel

>>> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
>>> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644
>>> > --- a/etc/NEWS
>>> > +++ b/etc/NEWS
>>> >  +++
>>> >  ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences.
>>> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode.  You can then type
>>> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
>>> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
>>> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
>>> > +next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
>>>
>>> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."?
>>
>> Maybe.  But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence,
>> and refilled the rest.
>
> I Know. But since you don't object, I believe I'm not wrong. Changed.

This is more wrong than before.  'repeat-mode' can be disabled only
explicitly by the user.  Whereas any other key exits transient mode
enabled by 'set-transient-map'.



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-19 19:04         ` Juri Linkov
@ 2021-10-19 19:59           ` Michael Albinus
  2021-10-20  6:49             ` Juri Linkov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-19 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel

Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> writes:

Hi Juri,

>>>> > diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
>>>> > index b7c4346..a847a88 100644
>>>> > --- a/etc/NEWS
>>>> > +++ b/etc/NEWS
>>>> >  +++
>>>> >  ** New transient mode 'repeat-mode' to allow shorter key sequences.
>>>> > +Type "M-x repeat-mode RET" to enable this mode.  You can then type
>>>> > +'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
>>>> > +instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
>>>> > +resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
>>>> > +next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure. Shouldn't this be rather "... exits repeat mode ..."?
>>>
>>> Maybe.  But I didn't write that text, I only added the first sentence,
>>> and refilled the rest.
>>
>> I Know. But since you don't object, I believe I'm not wrong. Changed.
>
> This is more wrong than before.  'repeat-mode' can be disabled only
> explicitly by the user.  Whereas any other key exits transient mode
> enabled by 'set-transient-map'.

I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode.  You can then type
'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
executed normally.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command?
The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled.

And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like
in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about
to exit.

(I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of
the readers of this NEWS file)

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-19 19:59           ` Michael Albinus
@ 2021-10-20  6:49             ` Juri Linkov
  2021-10-20  7:22               ` Michael Albinus
  2021-10-23 23:25               ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2021-10-20  6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel

>> This is more wrong than before.  'repeat-mode' can be disabled only
>> explicitly by the user.  Whereas any other key exits transient mode
>> enabled by 'set-transient-map'.
>
> I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me:
>
>   Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode.  You can then type
>   'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
>   instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
>   resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
>   next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
>   executed normally.
>
> At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command?
> The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled.

Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used".

> And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like
> in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about
> to exit.

A transient input method is something completely different.

> (I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of
> the readers of this NEWS file)

From (info "(elisp) Controlling Active Maps"):

 -- Function: set-transient-map keymap &optional keep-pred on-exit
     This function adds KEYMAP as a “transient” keymap, which takes
     precedence over other keymaps for one (or more) subsequent keys.

So maybe "transient mode" should be replaced with "transient keymap"?



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-20  6:49             ` Juri Linkov
@ 2021-10-20  7:22               ` Michael Albinus
  2021-10-23 23:25               ` Richard Stallman
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2021-10-20  7:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel

Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> writes:

Hi Juri,

>>> This is more wrong than before.  'repeat-mode' can be disabled only
>>> explicitly by the user.  Whereas any other key exits transient mode
>>> enabled by 'set-transient-map'.
>>
>> I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me:
>>
>>   Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode.  You can then type
>>   'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o'
>>   instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to
>>   resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate
>>   next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then is
>>   executed normally.
>>
>> At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command?
>> The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled.
>
> Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used".

Sounds good.

>> And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like
>> in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about
>> to exit.
>
> A transient input method is something completely different.
>
>> (I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of
>> the readers of this NEWS file)
>
> From (info "(elisp) Controlling Active Maps"):
>
>  -- Function: set-transient-map keymap &optional keep-pred on-exit
>      This function adds KEYMAP as a “transient” keymap, which takes
>      precedence over other keymaps for one (or more) subsequent keys.
>
> So maybe "transient mode" should be replaced with "transient keymap"?

As said, I know almost nothing about "transient.*". The term "transient
mode" let me thing about a major or minor mode, which seems to be
wrong. Anything which prevents me (and others) to do so is fine :-)

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'.
  2021-10-20  6:49             ` Juri Linkov
  2021-10-20  7:22               ` Michael Albinus
@ 2021-10-23 23:25               ` Richard Stallman
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2021-10-23 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: eliz, michael.albinus, emacs-devel

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  > Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used".

Could we make it active voice?

>   next-error matches.  Any other key exits transient mode and then
>   executes normally.

We should always use active voice, except when that's hard to do
for some reason.


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