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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277952 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:48:37 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> I'm surprised to learn that I have to say: >>=20 >> (set-fontset-font t 'emoji >> '("Apple Color Emoji" . "iso10646-1") nil 'prepend) >>=20 >> Is that correct? Eli> Not sure, because I think other users of macOS said they get this Eli> automatically. Is this in "emacs -Q"? (Once again, a detailed bug Eli> report is sorely needed.) They do? When using one of the other ports, maybe. >> Why can't we just do that automatically? Eli> I don't know why the macOS font backend doesn't find this font in = your Eli> case, it's something that should be investigated. I have a vague memory that there=CA=BCs code in the macOS font backend that will only allow color fonts if explicitly requested, and there being a good reason for it. I=CA=BCll trawl through my archives. >> Also, and I'm sorry in advance, but can we please change the text to >> something understandable? I understand it perfectly :-) >> ** New character script 'emoji' has been created. >> Various blocks of codepoints have been split out of the 'symbol' >> script into their own 'emoji' script to allow easier specification of >> their treatment. Which codepoints are treated as emoji is derived >> from the Unicode specifications. >>=20 >> Uh, what? I have no idea what practical difference any of the words= in >> the above would make. Blocks of codepoints? What is a 'symbol' scr= ipt? >> Am I a horrible programmer and human being if I don't know what any = of >> this means? You'll be telling me next you've not read tr-51 even once. Eli> Frankly, I think the level of sarcasm here is a bit overboard. The Eli> issue is indeed highly technical, and if one pretends not to know = what Eli> Emoji are, nor how their support before Emacs 28 was lacking, and = if Eli> you never tried to customize your fontsets to support Emoji (or any Eli> other character) better, then yes, it's easy to conclude that the Eli> above is useless. This is why Eli is the maintainer: he can express these things clearly and without rancour (I tend to fail at the latter portion, and end up having to delete what I=CA=BCve written, which I did several times in this reply) Eli> Anyway, I tried to clarify that entry as best I could, I hope it's= an Eli> improvement. LGTM If I were to nitpick, I=CA=BCd drop this hunk: +where "My New Emoji Font" should be replaced by the actual name of the +font you want to use. because to me that=CA=BCs obvious, but it=CA=BCs a minor point. Robert --=20