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From: Yoav Marco <yoavm448@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tree-sitter integration on feature/tree-sitter
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 19:26:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmkik7x6.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838rr6pwjt.fsf@gnu.org>


Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Yoav Marco <yoavm448@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:16:41 +0300
>>
>> And it probably is: in my benchmark, query compilation improved
>> performance in much more than 16/6=266%: it went from 6.06 to 0.01.
>
> That was in one of the tests, which, AFAIU, is not very interesting
> for assessing the effect on practical use cases in Emacs usage.  Or
> are you saying that Yuan's explanation of what that test tested was
> incorrect? in that case, please post the correct explanation.

Sorry, I'm saying I'm not sure how he got to the fraction of how much
time it takes to compile a query.

How I understand it, if it takes 23.474s to fontify 2332 times without
query caching and 0.037s with, then 99.7% of the time is spent in
recompiling the same query, or (23.474 - 0.037)/2332 = 10ms per
fontification. Which, uh, is what Yuan said, but I don't know how he
reached the "0.0158s per call to font-lock-region".

>> > According to your benchmarks, it is already very fast: 16 msec is a
>> > negligible time interval.  Of course, 40 is a somewhat arbitrary
>> > number, but to get a less arbitrary one, we should determine it from
>> > some concrete scenarios, such as the 512-character chunk JIT font-lock
>> > uses during redisplay, or the number of lines on a typical window
>> > that's important when one scrolls with C-v/M-v, etc.
>>
>> It's easy enough to convert the benchmarks to 512-chars chunks rather
>> than 40 lines. See table a few paragraphs below.
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand how to interpret that table.  Can you
> please explain the two last entries in the left column?

Explaination for the whole table:

|   |                     | font-lock | TS sexp |     TS | TS query reuse |
| 1 | xdisp.c all at once |    12.886 |   0.031 |  0.016 |          0.017 |
| 2 | 20 × 512c           |     0.273 |   0.214 |  0.209 |          0.000 |
| 3 | 512c to end         |       4m+ |  24.177 | 23.474 |          0.037 |

Rows:
- Benchmark 1 xdisp.c all at once: run font-lock-font-lock-fontify-region
  on the entire buffer once
- Benchmark 2 20 × 512c: fontify the next 512 characters 20 times
- Benchmark 2 20 × 512c: fontify the next 512 characters until the
  buffer ends

Columns:
- font-lock: fontifying using c-mode's font-lock setup
- TS sexp: using current non-caching treesit, but giving it the query as
  a sexp and not as a string
- TS: current non-caching treesit, but supplying query as string
- TS query reuse: caching compiled query objects using my dumb patch
  that just reuses the last query object as long as the char* for the
  query string doesn't change


>> >> If we expose "compiled query” we don’t need to cache them either.
>> >
>> > Then the Lisp program will have to do that, which is even worse,
>> > because the problems I described will now have to be solved by Lisp
>> > application programmers, each time anew.
>>
>> Will they? They'd just need to compile their queries once, when defining
>> them or when setting treesit-font-lock-defaults.
>
> And decide when to discard them.

I thought garbage collection could take care of that. Is that
problematic?



  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-12 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-09 17:50 Tree-sitter integration on feature/tree-sitter Yoav Marco
2022-05-09 20:51 ` Yuan Fu
     [not found]   ` <87lev9wyll.fsf@gmail.com>
2022-05-10 15:20     ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-10 15:43   ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-10 17:54     ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-10 18:18       ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-10 19:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-10 23:11           ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-10 23:53             ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-11 11:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-11 11:16           ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-11 14:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-11 15:40               ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-11 16:27                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-11 20:14                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-11 20:25                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-12  5:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-12  6:10                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-12  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-12 15:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-12 15:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-12  5:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-12  6:07                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-12 14:16                       ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-12 16:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-12 16:26                           ` Yoav Marco [this message]
2022-05-12 17:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-12 17:22                               ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-13  6:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-13  8:04                                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-13  8:36                                     ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-13  9:46                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-13 10:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-13 10:52                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-13  8:42                                   ` Yoav Marco
2022-05-13 10:41                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-14  0:04                                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-16 19:16                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-16 21:57                                           ` yoavm448
2022-06-17  1:10                                             ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-12 15:15                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-15 19:20       ` chad
2022-05-15 19:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-06-29 16:51 Abin Simon
2022-06-29 17:43 ` Yoav Marco
2022-06-30 11:21   ` Yoav Marco
2022-06-30 14:29     ` Abin Simon
2022-06-30 14:37       ` Yoav Marco
2022-06-28 16:08 Yoav Marco
2022-06-28 19:35 ` Yoav Marco
2022-06-29 15:35   ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-19  1:35 Kiong-Ge Liau
2022-05-19  1:35 Kiong-Ge Liau
2022-05-20  2:01 ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-16 19:03   ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17  1:24     ` Po Lu
2022-06-18  0:09       ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17  2:00     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-17  5:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-17 10:40         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-17  6:15     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-17  7:17       ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17 10:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-18  0:14           ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-18  6:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-18  8:25               ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-18  8:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-18 20:07                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-19  5:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-20  3:00                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-20 11:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-20 20:01                           ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-21  2:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-21  4:39                               ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-21 10:18                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-22  0:34                                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17 11:06     ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-06-18  0:28       ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-18 20:57         ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-05-07  8:29 Yuan Fu
2022-05-07  8:44 ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-07  8:47 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-07 17:59   ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-07 18:16     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-07  9:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07  9:34   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-07 18:33     ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-07 19:02       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-07 18:27   ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-07 18:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 19:00       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-07 19:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 19:11       ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-07 19:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 20:00           ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-07 20:12             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-07 21:24               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-07 22:02                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08  6:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08 12:05                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-05-08 12:16                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-08 13:23                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08 20:57                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-05-08 13:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08 20:42                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-05-09 11:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08  6:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08  6:49                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08  6:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08  9:02                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08  9:09                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08  9:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08  9:19                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08 10:33                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08 13:47                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08 13:58                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08 14:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-08 14:25                                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08 14:42                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-08 19:16                                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-08 21:14                                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-09 11:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-09 12:20                                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-09 12:23                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-09 21:10                                             ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-09 21:33                                               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-14  0:03                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-14  5:03                                                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-14  5:13                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-17 21:45                                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-05-18 20:52                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-18 21:07                                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-06-16 19:09                                                             ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17  6:19                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-17  7:32                                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17 10:42                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-18  0:20                                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-18  6:23                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-20 14:20                                                                       ` Daniel Martín
2022-06-20 20:03                                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-17 18:12                                                                   ` Yoav Marco
2022-06-18  0:35                                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-06-18  8:15                                                                       ` Yoav Marco
2022-06-18 20:11                                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-08 22:42                             ` Stephen Leake
2022-05-14 15:09 ` Daniel Martín
2022-05-14 15:55   ` Yuan Fu
2022-05-14 18:50     ` Daniel Martín
2022-05-14 19:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-16 19:10       ` Yuan Fu

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