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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:318513 Archived-At: >> I know this code hardly at all; not inside-out like you. I just looked >> at the types. > > And I fear if such depth is required, we'll make no progress. > Hopefully this has helped Eli, though. We could always go back to the test-driven-debugging model. Only write code that fixes an actual test case.