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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325711 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > We are all trying to work together here, so I don't think we need > "recourse" other than to remind people gently that "We should discuss > this on emacs-devel." Any of us can start that discussion. So if you > see that a change is being considered that calls for discussion on > emacs-devel, just forward one of the messages about it to emacs-devel. I see. The change you're proposing, if I understand correctly, is to make the above (that anyone can start a discussion on emacs-devel, and that we should all aspire to do so for "feature changes") common knowledge (in addition to defining particulars regd. duration of discussion etc). I was under the impression that this was already common knowledge, but perhaps not. Regardless, while it's not clear whether such a guideline would have helped in the triggering event that started the present discussion, I do think there's some value in noting explicitly that everyone has the shared responsibilities to discuss features (for some definition of feature) on emacs-devel before pushing them. And that if one such omission comes to light it is the observer's responsibility to treat the omission as having been accidental (as opposed to from ill-intent) and to gently start the discussion on emacs-devel. -- Suhail