From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.design,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:23:43 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org Message-ID: <87ofberzeo.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net> <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3D73F6D1.7010002@cox.net> <874rd7wuos.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3D74D797.7000707@cox.net> <87bs7etocv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031124225 18336 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 2002 07:23:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([207.96.1.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mUVr-0004lV-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:23:43 +0200 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA07013; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: (from turnbull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id DAA06224 for xemacs-design-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:24:50 -0400 Original-Received: (from mail@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id DAA06198 for turnbull@tux.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:24:50 -0400 Original-Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA06131 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ident=steve) by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17mUVv-0002Gl-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:23:47 +0900 Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "04 Sep 2002 12:46:56 +0900") Original-Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management, i686-pc-linux) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.61 X-XEmacs-List: design Errors-To: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org X-BeenThere: xemacs-design@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion of design and features for XEmacs. List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.design:1381 gmane.emacs.devel:7438 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7438 >>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader writes: Miles> [Texinfo is n]ot an improvement over what? Writing info Miles> files by hand? It seems an enormous improvement over that. Who wrote them by hand? There was a mode, of course, probably still is, buried in the info handling code somewhere. It was close to WYSIWYG, and given the limited expressiveness of TTYs, only a few easily remembered "markup" forms. >> I wouldn't go back, although I'd like to go forward from >> Texinfo to XMLinfo. Miles> Why? SGML and XML are quite unreadable compared to Miles> texinfo. In a buzzword, Document Object Model. I don't read texinfo, I read Info. And I don't want to write or edit texinfo, I want to move hierarchical objects around (I'm mostly a manager, not a programmer; ie, with docs, I edit and compile, not write). Miles> Would you like fries with that? No, I'll have onion rings. ;) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py