From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:22:53 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Message-ID: <87oe3fbsma.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134837076 25361 80.91.229.2 (17 Dec 2005 16:31:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Aidan Kehoe , Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 17 17:31:06 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enex5-0002Wg-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:30:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enexp-0000IK-C0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:31:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnerH-0007HM-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:24:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnerD-0007GR-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:24:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnerA-0007GG-Q0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:24:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1Enetn-0000dw-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:27:07 -0500 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Eneph-0002Tj-Gt; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:22:53 +0900 Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:08:37 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.5-b23 (daikon, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47955 Archived-At: >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Roberts writes: Nick> Perhaps you're bitter that XEmacs does seemed to have slowed Nick> down, but please remember this list is for contributing to Nick> Emacs development, not to knock it down. Don't kid yourself. Of course XEmacs developers would like XEmacs to move faster, but I don't see _active developers_ (like Aidan) terribly concerned about it. We do feel bad for the users, but then, the users could turn around and become developers if they wanted something done. It is definitely arguable that Emacs is losing its appeal for new users. You may have noticed the presence of a prominent former XEmacs developer (Hrvoje Niksic) recently on this list. Although he made it clear that he didn't have time to work around the specific problems he has with XEmacs, and so has turned to the mainline again, he also expressed his dismay that even with his customized Emacs environment, there are still many features missing that come with (say) Eclipse out of the box. He's not the only one to express such concerns, but he was the most articulate I can recall. Whether GNU and/or the Emacs project "should" worry about it is another matter, but I don't think it's a good idea to put down Aidan because he worries. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.