From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:15:56 +0900 Message-ID: <87odhqethv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <85ejinrqgk.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <35917.128.165.123.18.1185998078.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <85vebzq7vd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1186010187 5719 80.91.229.12 (1 Aug 2007 23:16:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 02 01:16:20 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IGNQQ-0002r7-0f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:16:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGNQP-0001A0-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:16:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGNQK-000172-N0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IGNQG-00013B-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGNQG-00012t-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp02.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.72]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IGNQ7-0004Yp-0w; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:15:59 -0400 Original-Received: from 203-216-96-074.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.96.74] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1IGNQ3-0003q6-Gg; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:15:55 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 56F823015; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:15:56 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <85vebzq7vd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed\, 01 Aug 2007 23\:09\:58 +0200") Original-Lines: 19 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75938 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: >> Why do you think we have text properties? > > It is good to see a solution that is not confusing to beginners. I'm not sure which one you think is confusing to beginners, but I think the text property solution would be far more confusing. I mean really, something like (buffer "foo") or (file "~/bar") seems pretty clear, even if you don't know what lisp is. Text properties, on the other hand are _invisible_, and having strings whose meaning differs based on invisible properties doesn't seems like a very good interface at all for beginners... (or experts for that matter) -Miles -- We live, as we dream -- alone....