From: Bastien <bzg@altern.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window'
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:33:17 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ode0m936.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IrMd5-00012z-9Y@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:54:15 -0500")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> By default, resizing is done by increasing/decreasing window
> width and height. In this mode, use the up and down arrow keys
> to enlarge or shrink the window and use the right and left arrow
> keys to enlarge or shrink the window horizontally.
>
> So in this mode you don't control which border moves.
Right. `shrink-window' and `enlarge-window' decide.
> Resizing can also be done by moving the window borders. In this
> mode, use the arrow keys to move the corresponding border in the
> arrow direction -- e.g. the left arrow key will try to move the
> left border to the left.
>
> So in this mode you can only enlarge the window.
Right.
> When the point is in window B and you're in move-borders mode, <left>
> will move the left border of window B to the left, and <right> will move
> its right border to the right. But you might want to quickly move the
> left border to the right. So instead of finding window A and moving its
> right border to the right, you'll negate the argument and move the left
> border (which will move to the right instead of moving to the left.)
>
> Oh, so that's how you would use the window borders mode to make this
> window smaller.
>
> It seems unnatural, and I think it will be hard to remember.
I first used M-<arrows> to let the user move the border inwards.
Drew suggested to use `~' to negate the value of INCREMENT and I gave it
a try. Actually, I think using M-<arrows> to move the border inwards is
better: no need for `~' and easy to remember.
> Perhaps the right thing to do is use arrow keys to select the border
> to move, and use + and - to grow or shrink the window using that
> border.
This is similar to Lennart's approach in bw-interactive.el:
http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/elisp/bw-interactive.el
I reacted to his code by saying that the left arrow key should *both*
select the left border and move it to the left. Hence window-edit.el,
where I prefer to keep both actions (i.e. selecting and moving) to be
performed with a single keystroke.
IMO using the Meta key to move inwards instead of outwards is simpler
than first selecting the border and then moving it.
I'll implement back M-<arrow> for inwards border moves, while keeping
`~' for a while, let's see what people prefer.
--
Bastien
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-12 3:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-28 10:39 New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window' Bastien
2007-10-28 10:41 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 12:06 ` Bastien
2007-10-28 11:21 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 14:40 ` Bastien
2007-10-28 20:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 21:47 ` Bastien
2007-10-28 22:05 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-29 0:03 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-29 8:43 ` Bastien
2007-10-29 0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-31 11:58 ` Bastien
2007-10-31 15:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-31 16:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-31 17:31 ` Bastien
2007-10-31 23:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01 0:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01 1:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01 1:28 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01 1:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01 2:17 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01 3:41 ` Bastien
2007-11-01 1:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01 19:04 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-03 21:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-04 1:41 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-11-04 2:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-04 19:56 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-31 16:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-31 23:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01 16:54 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-01 22:01 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-01 22:27 ` David Kastrup
2007-11-01 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-02 14:28 ` Bastien
2007-11-02 14:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-03 0:20 ` Bastien
2007-11-03 3:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-03 4:14 ` Miles Bader
2007-11-03 5:46 ` Bastien
2007-11-03 5:35 ` Miles Bader
2007-11-03 14:11 ` Bastien
2007-11-03 15:15 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-03 16:43 ` Bastien
2007-11-03 16:43 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-04 0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-05 3:30 ` Bastien
2007-11-05 7:37 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-05 11:06 ` Bastien
2007-11-08 15:32 ` Bastien
2007-11-10 1:09 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-10 1:11 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 5:00 ` Bastien
2007-11-11 8:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 17:17 ` Bastien
2007-11-11 17:26 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 23:54 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 0:07 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 3:20 ` Bastien
2007-11-12 2:55 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 4:18 ` Bastien
2007-11-12 11:47 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 13:47 ` Bastien
2007-11-12 19:03 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 21:20 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 21:31 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 22:09 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 22:51 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-14 0:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 23:49 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 1:36 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 9:09 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 15:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 21:41 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 22:15 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-13 13:40 ` Bastien
2007-11-13 17:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-14 0:58 ` Bastien
2007-11-14 2:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 8:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-13 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-14 1:05 ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-11 17:11 ` Bastien
2007-11-11 19:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 3:19 ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13 13:25 ` Bastien
2007-11-13 18:49 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-14 0:27 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 14:41 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 1:14 ` Bastien
2007-11-14 1:56 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-15 20:52 ` Bastien
2007-11-15 20:57 ` Bastien
[not found] ` <473CBBA7.8090507@gmail.com>
2007-11-16 12:39 ` Bastien
2007-11-14 17:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 18:12 ` Bastien
[not found] ` <473B7CDD.4040401@gmail.com>
2007-11-15 21:05 ` Bastien
2007-11-15 21:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 22:27 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 12:41 ` Bastien
2007-11-16 21:52 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 0:10 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 1:45 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 9:28 ` martin rudalics
2007-11-17 11:58 ` Bastien
2007-11-17 2:17 ` Bastien
2007-11-17 9:09 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 12:08 ` Bastien
2007-11-17 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-18 0:10 ` Bastien
2007-11-19 1:20 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-19 2:45 ` Bastien
2007-11-19 6:48 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 15:59 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 16:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 16:38 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 17:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 23:52 ` Bastien
2007-11-17 23:51 ` Bastien
2007-11-18 0:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-18 2:16 ` Bastien
2007-11-18 2:31 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-18 12:04 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-19 2:23 ` Bastien
2007-11-14 23:09 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 23:46 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-15 0:21 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 1:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-15 8:29 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 1:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-16 12:58 ` Bastien
2007-11-16 15:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 17:13 ` Bastien
2007-11-16 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 19:19 ` Bastien
2007-11-16 21:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-17 2:26 ` Bastien
2007-11-17 4:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-17 11:54 ` Bastien
2007-11-18 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-19 2:30 ` Bastien
2007-11-15 13:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 13:07 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <E1Ir5H0-0002Ty-Jz@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-11-11 17:10 ` Bastien
2007-11-11 23:54 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 3:33 ` Bastien [this message]
2007-11-12 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13 13:27 ` Bastien
2007-11-11 23:54 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 3:36 ` Bastien
2007-11-18 22:46 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-19 2:34 ` Bastien
2007-11-02 16:51 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-10-31 23:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01 6:30 ` David Kastrup
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