From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Workflow to accumulate individual changes?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:47:44 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oclfapsv.fsf@red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k4w32q3g.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:08:35 +0100")
David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>_IF_ the file change history is important, we can generate it on the
>source web page on the fly, from the VCS logs. ChangeLog dates from a
>time of VCS-less development. If we really want to distribute this sort
>of info, generating it from commits is quite more reliable.
>
>One point of a distributed version control system is that non-privileged
>users may clone their own repository and have all this historical data
>in case they need to work with it.
>
>My vote is for moving ChangeLog maintenance to proper commit message
>maintenance: that is more important for a developer with version control
>access, and again, DVCS use means that this info is available off-line
>to the user/programmer. With CVS, it wasn't.
>
>> Maybe we can try to strike a balance between not keeping the ChangeLog
>> up to date at all and making it difficult to commit *one* changeset
>> that includes both ChangeLog updates _and_ file updates by committing
>> the ChangeLog updates separately?
>
>I don't consider it useful anymore to artificially split relevant change
>info between ChangeLog and commit messages: all relevant version control
>tools (graphical browsers etc) access the commit messages, and those are
>there also offline.
>
>There is no info we want in ChangeLog that should be missing from commit
>messages.
>
>The price Emacs developers pay for following the proposed hair-splitting
>policies now is too high. With CVS, off-line access to the ChangeLog
>was a somewhat valid argument. With DVCS, it isn't.
+1 all over this.
Our commit logs should follow the same structure ChangeLog entries
currently do, and we should not maintain separate ChangeLog files.
There would be zero information loss; also much less confusion, and much
less time wasted discussing how to maintain the same information in two
places.
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-30 21:34 Workflow to accumulate individual changes? Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-30 21:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-30 21:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-30 23:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 0:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 0:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 1:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 1:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 1:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 2:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 4:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 4:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 5:12 ` Miles Bader
2009-12-31 10:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 10:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 12:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 19:44 ` Karl Fogel
2009-12-31 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 20:41 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-01 2:54 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-01 12:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-01 13:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-31 5:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 10:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 12:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 18:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 20:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-01 13:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-01 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-30 22:54 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-12-31 0:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 9:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-31 10:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 11:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-12-31 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 12:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 13:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 13:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 13:43 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-12-31 13:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 14:07 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-12-31 14:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-01 15:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2010-01-01 17:53 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-01 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-01 4:03 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-01 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 10:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-02 15:44 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-01 12:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-01 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 14:48 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-01 19:18 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-01 19:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 20:09 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-01 21:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 20:13 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-01 21:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 21:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-01 21:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 22:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-01-01 20:07 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-01-01 20:12 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-01 21:08 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-01-02 5:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-02 5:12 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-02 5:24 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-02 11:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-02 12:09 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-02 19:22 ` Karl Fogel
2010-01-05 8:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-02 4:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-01 14:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-01 15:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-01 15:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-12-31 14:08 ` David Kastrup
2009-12-31 19:47 ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2009-12-31 20:14 ` Chong Yidong
2009-12-31 20:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-12-31 20:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2009-12-31 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-12-31 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-31 12:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-01 12:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-02 1:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-02 2:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-02 2:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-02 9:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-02 13:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-02 13:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-02 3:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-02 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-02 15:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-02 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-02 13:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
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