From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrating package.el Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:22:54 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ocjh2hyp.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878wcdjg9r.fsf@hagelb.org> <87637gh73j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87637b96pc.fsf@hagelb.org> <87wrzr6ugo.fsf@hagelb.org> <87ocl242jc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d41ihx9g.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87ocl167wx.fsf@hagelb.org> <8763795zsh.fsf@hagelb.org> <87r5pmwcf8.fsf@hagelb.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1266866621 28911 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2010 19:23:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:23:41 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 20:23:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjdsP-0007xV-2A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:23:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NjdsO-0004Et-9i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:23:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NjdsH-0004Dx-Jn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:23:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41924 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NjdsG-0004DS-PS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:23:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjdsE-0006fL-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:23:20 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:55627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjdsE-0006es-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:23:18 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Njds4-0007lf-3g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:23:08 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:23:08 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:23:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 56 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lVxp4vlazV6SjRbKO6SwBa5+hAc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121282 Archived-At: On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:40:11 -0800 Phil Hagelberg wrote: PH> Phil Hagelberg writes: >>> Basically, all I want is for it to be able to distinguish between >>> "packages available locally, either installed by the user or the >>> sysadmin", and "packages that will be autoloaded in a given session", so >>> as to be able to install different versions of the same package at the >>> same time. >> >> OK, I will prioritize this once I finish adding support for multiple >> archive sources. I think we'll need this in order to support separating >> out fully-supported packages vs unsupported packages for which we simply >> have copyright assignment as Ted has suggested. PH> I've just implemented support for multiple package sources in PH> package.el. Right now it is preconfigured to use ELPA, but the following PH> snippet will let it pull in packages from my own archive source as well: PH> (add-to-list 'package-archives PH> '("technomancy" . "http://repo.technomancy.us/emacs/") t) PH> Hit M-x package-list-packages to see all available packages. The "bork" PH> and "bingle" packages are dummies that are only available from my PH> repository, and should be available for installation at the same time as PH> the standard ELPA-provided packages. PH> I'd love to see some other elisp library authors try to set up their own PH> package archive sources using package-maint.el and test the PH> multiple-archive support. PH> I hope that a new version of package.el incorporating my changes could PH> be pushed out to ELPA and then possibly included in Emacs once a little PH> more work has gone into integration with the Emacs load process. Hi Phil, that's wonderful news. I was just reading (and commented) at http://monkey.org/~marius/self-contained-emacs.html about how package.el with custom repositories could solve a very common need to have a "personalized" self-contained Emacs. Have you considered support for non-HTTP sources? I'm OK with HTTP only for now but I think a Bazaar source would make sense if there's going to be a ELPA-style repository inside Emacs itself. Also are file:/// URLs supported? What remains to be done to make package.el a part of Emacs? I think Dan Nicolaescu's suggestion about menus makes sense. Is there anything else? Once it's in the core we can start work on making more Emacs packages installable directly. Again, I think this is great progress and I appreciate your work. Thanks Ted