From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:53:49 +0800 Message-ID: <87ocij1wdu.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> <87k4t92hmb.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269057250 7972 80.91.229.12 (20 Mar 2010 03:54:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 20 04:54:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsplE-000103-Mk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:54:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59471 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsplE-0000fr-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:54:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsplA-0000fm-4c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44443 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nspl8-0000fe-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:53:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nspl7-0007W4-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.217.217]:47946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nspl7-0007W0-4j; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:53:57 -0400 Original-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2196170gxk.8 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:53:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=b7KDeHe36Wc36mqtS4h+Sgo2A6ymGXp8HSZk/t2/IZA=; b=vfjlC+dCcOCFvPeJMnS2Z4Ws7+b5TaHauyEoa35+o43AuF3W64bgl03h/mv9Wmumyp b+sb52E1Ue/3Cfc/MoEueZCF0J+5PvMNt9dt106uTACGanpy+O3DLscNFxYHW0DHIY9F OF52c1jjaXtSFVLhp4iRFWLsoSsC7/CmwbWy0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=lUboZAqep6Ajd5b36S/UwYACdJa5V+SviV2gJqW6UIoPyBHmsCTdi7bMSr14luRQoI YQVOIxCoZgB4AY199PpKw9ZAEE+3OFY4ze/l4/5Csin1AudqgBmcBTsoFZc2TW1qxyIQ 0OhaBCtQLuRPknpExcUEwE1ZziWvHW0lp8Dtg= Original-Received: by 10.100.17.26 with SMTP id 26mr9085475anq.149.1269057236460; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([202.87.221.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm570127yxh.15.2010.03.19.20.53.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0A3C62D5; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:53:49 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:23:57 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122338 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Personally I think that the traditional Emacs way of setting mark should > have neither delete-selection nor transient-mark by default. The reason > is that Emacs has two distinct uses for the mark - as a mark, and as one > end of the region. Transient-mark-mode and delete-selection-mode really > only apply when the mark is used as one end of the region, and get in > the way when the intention is to use the mark as a mark. > > The reason I don't agree with this is that Transient Mark mode > is very useful with the traditional Emacs mark commands. > (I have mark-even-if-inactive set to t, which is what makes > Transient Mark mode acceptable.) Can we perhaps highlight the region in a different color, so the user is not so surprised that it acts differently than a region set using the mouse.