From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yoni Rabkin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug statistics Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:55:32 +0300 Message-ID: <87ocez4hkr.fsf@rabkins.net> References: <1focf1eb1p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874ogsthn2.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277502074 27372 80.91.229.12 (25 Jun 2010 21:41:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:41:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 25 23:41:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSGe5-0004UJ-9J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 23:41:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59232 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OSF29-0002yn-9X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:57:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54743 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OSD61-0004ra-K1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:53:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OS4cw-0006EL-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.196]:33559 helo=smtpout04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OS4cw-0006De-P1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 28459 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2010 08:51:05 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (81.199.250.192) by smtpout04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.196) with ESMTP; 25 Jun 2010 08:51:04 -0000 X-Ethics: Use GNU In-Reply-To: (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:28:19 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.96 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126407 Archived-At: > Although the debbugs UI is far from ideal, do you have any evidence > that is one of the more important problems? > > IMO the main problem is man power. Having followed the Emacs development community for some time now I think that everyone appreciates how few people can commit and how overwhelmed with work those people are. > There are >100 bugs with patches attached that have not been applied. > For a lot of these patches there's no obvious maintainer to take care > of them, so one of the maintainers would have to do it. > > Same goes about bug reports, quite a few are about areas that nobody > feels particularly attached to, so they don't get any action. I had recently posted a patch to this list (next time I'll add it to the bug system instead). Here is my view of this from a bug-reporter's point of view: I do believe that if someone posts a bug and feels strongly about it they should do a follow-up, say at most once a week, and make sure to get an answer from someone who can commit it. An acceptable answer could be: "I'll commit this in 3 months, please write back then to remind me." or "I'll commit this but I don't know when, please write back in a week and we'll see." What I'm trying to say is that I think outstanding bugs should not be seen as being the sole responsibility of developers who can commit. The people who submit the bug reports should try and follow the activity. After all, they are reporting on issues they want fixed. Would such a policy produce noise? I don't think so; I doubt that the majority of people would take the time to diligently follow up their bug reports to completion. -- "Cut your own wood and it will warm you twice"