* Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). [not found] <E1OSgUt-0007A9-6N@internal.in.savannah.gnu.org> @ 2010-06-27 10:39 ` Juanma Barranquero 2010-06-27 11:59 ` martin rudalics 2010-06-27 14:06 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-06-27 10:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Emacs developers On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 02:30, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > revno: 100650 > committer: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> > branch nick: trunk > timestamp: Sat 2010-06-26 20:30:52 -0400 > message: > Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). > Don't add entries for `menu-bar-lines' and `tool-bar-lines' to > `default-frame-alist' and `initial-frame-alist' at startup. > Instead, use X resources to update the `menu-bar-mode' and > `tool-bar-mode' variables at startup, and use them as defaults during > frame creation. This changes initial frame size, at least on Windows. emacs-23\bin\emacs -q => frame-height = 35 trunk\bin\emacs -q => frame-height = 38 which is a PITA because I have "Emacs.Geometry = 100x65" in the registry (65 being the height for a maximized Emacs frame on my system). With that setting, Emacs 23.X works right, but trunk Emacs extends under the taskbar. Juanma ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 10:39 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249) Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-06-27 11:59 ` martin rudalics 2010-06-27 14:22 ` Juanma Barranquero 2010-06-27 14:06 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: martin rudalics @ 2010-06-27 11:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs developers > emacs-23\bin\emacs -q => frame-height = 35 > trunk\bin\emacs -q => frame-height = 38 I'm confused. Before and after Chong's change these are 38 here. But I have an older build where (frame-height) evaluates to 43. martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 11:59 ` martin rudalics @ 2010-06-27 14:22 ` Juanma Barranquero 2010-06-27 14:43 ` martin rudalics 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-06-27 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: martin rudalics; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs developers On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 13:59, martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> wrote: > I'm confused. Before and after Chong's change these are 38 here. On Windows? In any case, the patch has changed the behavior for me; i.e., it's not emacs-23 vs. trunk, but trunk-from-yesterday vs. trunk-from-today. Juanma ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 14:22 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-06-27 14:43 ` martin rudalics 2010-06-27 15:11 ` Juanma Barranquero 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: martin rudalics @ 2010-06-27 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs developers >> I'm confused. Before and after Chong's change these are 38 here. > > On Windows? Windows XP. > In any case, the patch has changed the behavior for me; i.e., it's not > emacs-23 vs. trunk, but trunk-from-yesterday vs. trunk-from-today. Not so here. martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 14:43 ` martin rudalics @ 2010-06-27 15:11 ` Juanma Barranquero 2010-06-27 18:11 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-06-27 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: martin rudalics; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs developers On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 16:43, martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> wrote: > Windows XP. Oh, I see. emacs -q does not ignore the registry settings, and I have Emacs.ScrollBars = off Emacs.Toolbar = 0 What has really changed is that now "Emacs.Toolbar = 0" does not work, it is necessary to use "Emacs.Toolbar = off". Juanma ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 15:11 ` Juanma Barranquero @ 2010-06-27 18:11 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-06-27 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juanma Barranquero; +Cc: martin rudalics, Emacs developers Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> writes: > emacs -q does not ignore the registry settings, and I have > > Emacs.ScrollBars = off > Emacs.Toolbar = 0 > > What has really changed is that now "Emacs.Toolbar = 0" does not work, > it is necessary to use "Emacs.Toolbar = off". Should be fixed now, thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* RE: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 10:39 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249) Juanma Barranquero 2010-06-27 11:59 ` martin rudalics @ 2010-06-27 14:06 ` Drew Adams 2010-07-03 19:30 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Changedefault-frame-alist " Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2010-06-27 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Juanma Barranquero', 'Chong Yidong' Cc: 'Emacs developers' > Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode > interaction (Bug#2249). Don't add entries for `menu-bar-lines' > and `tool-bar-lines' to `default-frame-alist' and > `initial-frame-alist' at startup. Instead, use X resources > to update the `menu-bar-mode' and `tool-bar-mode' variables > at startup, and use them as defaults during frame creation. I haven't followed this and cannot check the new effect. But I hope this does not mean that a user's customizations of, say, `default-frame-alist' will no longer be respected wrt `menu-bar-lines' and `tool-bar-lines'. When you say "use X resources", do you mean that Emacs now sets X resources or only that users can use X resources to set these parameters? (You say "use X resources" the same way you say "don't add entries", so it's unclear what the subject of the sentence is: Emacs code or the user.) --- FWIW: Over the past few major releases there has been considerable fiddling with initial menu-bar and tool-bar settings and how they're established. I hope this will settle down and reach a fixed point. ;-) As an example, I have code that fits the frame to a buffer, and it has to calculate the frame height differently for different Emacs versions, because of the different treatment of these parameters. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* RE: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r100650: Changedefault-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode interaction (Bug#2249). 2010-06-27 14:06 ` Drew Adams @ 2010-07-03 19:30 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2010-07-03 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Juanma Barranquero', 'Chong Yidong' Cc: 'Emacs developers' > From: Drew Adams Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:07 AM > > > > Change default-frame-alist and menu/tool-bar-mode > > interaction (Bug#2249). Don't add entries for `menu-bar-lines' > > and `tool-bar-lines' to `default-frame-alist' and > > `initial-frame-alist' at startup. Instead, use X resources > > to update the `menu-bar-mode' and `tool-bar-mode' variables > > at startup, and use them as defaults during frame creation. > > I haven't followed this and cannot check the new effect. But > I hope this does not mean that a user's customizations of, say, > `default-frame-alist' will no longer be respected wrt > `menu-bar-lines' and `tool-bar-lines'. > > When you say "use X resources", do you mean that Emacs now > sets X resources or only that users can use X resources to set > these parameters? (You say "use X resources" the same way you > say "don't add entries", so it's unclear what the > subject of the sentence is: Emacs code or the user.) > > --- > > FWIW: Over the past few major releases there has been > considerable fiddling with initial menu-bar and tool-bar > settings and how they're established. I hope this > will settle down and reach a fixed point. ;-) As an example, > I have code that fits the frame to a buffer, and it has to > calculate the frame height differently for different Emacs > versions, because of the different treatment of these > parameters. See my mail from today, subject "tool bars - broken again". I suspect that the change Yidong describes is in fact what broke things. [The breakage is not what I feared it might be (size of tool-bar lines or non-respect of `default-frames-alist'). Instead, it seems that turning off `tool-bar-mode' does not set `tool-bar-lines' to 0 for `default-frame-alist'.] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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