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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The copyright issue
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 09:33:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ocdedghd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: i3hds1$5je$1@dough.gmane.org

Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk> writes:

> I am really glad to hear that corporations do that.  But it might
> actually be easier for corporations to sign over the copyright than it
> is for private groups.  Many people contribute over the years and they
> get dispersed.

That's why the FSF requires assignments upfront instead of hoping to get
them eventually.

> Even if one of them is unable or unwilling to assign copyright to FSF,
> Gnu has to stay away.  So, it seems that Gnu has needlessly isolated
> itself on an island from which it cannot escape.

Not "needlessly", obviously, and it is not the GNU project that has
written the copyright laws requiring this sort of carefulness.

> There is an ocean of free software outside Gnu, but Gnu can't touch
> it.  Isn't it absurd?

The GPL is "strong copyleft".  If you can't go after GPL violations
because of dubious standing, it is teethless.

That's why the GNU project won't (not "can't") touch software that could
take away the strong and certain defensibility of the GPL.

If you are not interested in that defensibility, projects like FreeBSD
exist.  The commercial success of the GPL universe, also with corporate
contributors, tells us that clearly there _is_ a place and desire for
strong copyleft.

So there is absolutely no point in continuing to pollute the Emacs
developer list with a discussion that was current a number of decades
ago, with nothing changed in the reasoning since then, and with history
showing that the decisions made were sound and led to an advance in the
availability of free software.

The discussion has been _over_ for dozens of years, the decisions have
been _made_ long ago and _vindicated_ by the resulting developments.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-07  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-05  9:12 The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 12:15 ` The copyright issue Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 16:23 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-08-05 18:51   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-06  2:48     ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06 13:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-09 17:19       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-09 22:53         ` Miles Bader
2010-08-09 23:19           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-06 10:34     ` Adrian Robert
2010-08-05 16:40 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06  8:12 ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Richard Stallman
2010-08-06  9:39   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 15:36     ` Fren Zeee
2010-08-06 16:45       ` Bug on calendar (was: The copyright issue) Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-07  3:57     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-07  4:04     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-06  8:37 ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-06 10:43   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-06 11:16     ` The copyright issue David Kastrup
2010-08-06 11:42       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-06 15:23         ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06 11:25     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Deniz Dogan
2010-08-06 12:01       ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-13 15:52         ` The copyright issue Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-13 23:33           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-14  2:35             ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14  8:03               ` David Kastrup
2010-08-14 10:01                 ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14 10:12                   ` David Kastrup
2010-08-14 10:58                     ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14 16:30                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-16  5:59                         ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-16  7:07                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-16 18:22                             ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-16  8:43                           ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-06 17:32       ` Bastien
2010-08-08 16:31     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Bernardo Barros
2010-08-09 10:00       ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 10:15         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09 13:50           ` The copyright issue David Kastrup
2010-08-09 15:30             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-09 16:58             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09 22:49               ` Miles Bader
2010-08-09 23:57                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-10  1:06                   ` Miles Bader
2010-08-10  2:41                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-10  7:53                 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06 13:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-06 16:39   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07  7:33     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2010-08-07 19:09     ` rogers-emacs
2010-08-07 20:31       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07 23:52         ` rogers-emacs
2010-08-09  6:40           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-09  8:28             ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09  9:21               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-10 13:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-11  4:02                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-12  1:07                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 10:01           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 11:42             ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 13:06               ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09 14:28                 ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 16:16                   ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09 17:07                     ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-10  7:50                       ` David Kastrup
2010-08-10  8:28                         ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 20:41                     ` Fren Zeee
2010-08-10  4:44               ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-10  8:04                 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-10  9:04                   ` Andreas Röhler

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