From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 07:51:19 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169450 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Ted Zlatanov writes: > > > Realistically speaking, attacks against Emacs are extremely unlikely > > unless specific people are targeted. > > Exactly. Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to order any person or entity to turn over "any tangible things," so long as the FBI "specif[ies]" that the order is "for an authorized investigation . . . to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities." This is what the _NSA_ uses as justification for a drag net collection of the complete Internet traffic without authorization or an ongoing investigation. Now in several lawsuits, the EFF has been pictured as an anti-American organization that is easily closer associated with international terrorism as the average American, and the average American is associated enough with international terrorism (probably because he voted for a government using drone strikes against Yemen marriage parties and similar on the ground of sovereign countries) to warrant an "authorized investigation" into his communication. As the EFF has probably a significant penetration of Emacs users, it would be negligent of the NSA to ignore low-hanging fruit like that. Seriously: the most relevant enemy of private communication nowadays is the U.S. government, followed by other governments. Emacs users tend to have some loose correlation to people who care about politics, and thus are suspicious. While the GNU project focuses on not having people screwed over the government's idea of copyright applied on software, that does not mean that we should make it easier for the government to screw over the people over other travesties of rights that would have been unthinkable to the republic's founders. Of course, the U.S. is not alone in trying to disown their citizens, but they do take a leadership role currently. -- David Kastrup