From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:08:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87oaucvrlp.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87sijqxzr2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <877g11c8wh.fsf@gmx.us> <87wq91uhe8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <8738bpc6qv.fsf@gmx.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411056543 15150 80.91.229.3 (18 Sep 2014 16:09:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Rasmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 18 18:08:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeGN-0008Of-Ly for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:08:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeGN-0001hO-7a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:08:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56153) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeGF-0001hD-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:08:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeGA-00036s-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:08:47 -0400 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:40710) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeGA-00035U-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeG3-0007wZ-Dd; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:08:35 +0100 Original-Received: from jangai.ncl.ac.uk ([10.66.67.223] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XUeG2-0003V0-VG; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:08:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8738bpc6qv.fsf@gmx.us> (rasmus@gmx.us's message of "Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:01:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174507 Archived-At: Rasmus writes: >> Yep, upgrades will be downloads. A number of packages on there are used >> for integration testing. So, I pull down dash on every checking for >> several of my projects. In time, I am sure dash will become the most >> downloaded package because of this. > > I don't "get" dash and s, but lots of people developing more > impressive things than I will ever be able to do seem happy with it so > who am I to judge? When I write a patch, I intend it to become part > of core, so dash/s are not options. I think dash just makes list operations a lot easier. So, I use this, for instance, to nil a tree of markers. (defun m-buffer-nil-marker (markers) (-map (lambda (marker) (set-marker marker nil)) (-flatten markers))) I could also have done (--map (set-marker it nil) (-flatten markers)) or even (--tree-map (set-marker it nil) markers) I always found list operation in emacs a bit low-level. Dash also uses a lot names familar to people from other languages which help. I agree about getting into core, but with package.el coming on a-pace this might be less of a worry in future. > >> Once Emacs switches to git, I would guess the percentage of people on >> this list who do not install magit will shrink to a tiny number. My >> guesses are often wrong though! > > Magit is nice, and probably for a git gui *the best* you can get, but > I'm still frustrated by it (how do I format-patch?!) and must often > default to the terminal. The manual and things like staging are > wonderful though. I drop to the command line also. The manual is good though -- I think it says "with magit you'll probably only have to drop through to the command line once a day". True enough. Phil