From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:33:44 +0900 Message-ID: <87oatosopj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87wq8pwjen.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g0ptnlj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3yxwdr6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx3tmi3t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834mvttgsf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhp5m99w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvf1dxha.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2a5maib.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3ylruyg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y4stcdat.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412642063 8455 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2014 00:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 00:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mhw@netris.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 07 02:34:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbIjG-0005I8-Df for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 02:34:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55476 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbIjG-0006AO-1p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:34:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58899) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbIj5-00065A-NG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:34:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbIiy-0005p2-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:37361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbIiq-0005oK-8K; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:33:48 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04961C38C6; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:33:44 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C41A71A2888; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:33:44 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87y4stcdat.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175058 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > That sounds like you are talking about a processing pipe. No, I'm talking about a Unicode conformant process. If you don't need Unicode conformance and do need to emit garbage, you can specify a Unicode-like but non-conformant codec. All I'm saying (and Mark I believe is on the smae page, if not the same octet) is that (1) Emacs codecs corresponding to published standards (specifically, UTF-8 and other UTFs) should conform to those standards by default, even where that means annoying users (they'll learn to request non-conformant codecs if that's really what they want). (2) Emacs should make special effort at conformance with Unicode because it is especially well-defined. Making this pleasant for users will require some effort, but will be well worth it in the end.