From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:22:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87oath276y.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y4srjaot.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3yhiu8c.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3yg9bpu.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4sn83ig.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413097478 9276 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2014 07:04:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:04:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii , stephen@xemacs.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 12 09:04:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XdDCh-0002Xx-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:04:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdDCg-0002zm-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:04:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37428) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdDCS-0002zh-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdDCR-00075E-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:04:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdDCQ-000754-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:04:15 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41027 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdDCH-0004yA-NJ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:04:06 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 220E4E0691; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:22:29 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:22:59 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175278 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Originally, Emacs would complain that Latin-1 cannot be used, and > > asked the user to select a different encoding. > > > > That is about Latin-1. What did Emacs do, at that time, with UTF-8? > > The situation I described is with text encodable by UTF-8, but not by > Latin-1. So it has no analogue when UTF-8 is used to begin with. > > It looks like that past case isn't directly pertinent to this issue, > then. > > What will Emacs do, under this proposal, if the user is asked whether > to keep the original raw bytes and answers NO? > > Abort the operation, I suppose. It's going to be a wagonload of fun if I do emacsclient `git grep -l some-pattern` in order to edit 30 files and Emacs decides to abort and/or ask each time a comment contains a stray latin-1 character. > Our experience with such prompts is that they are perceived as > annoyances, no matter whether they happen at read or at write time. > > Maybe so, but how big of an annoyance depends on how often it happens. The main point is that annoyance does not serve a purpose. It's like a secretary who refuses to file letters with spelling errors in them. -- David Kastrup